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Hello collector friends! Today I want to ask if you do know anything about this kind of portepee I have bought short ago.

Years ago Tom Wittmann has sold exactly such a portepee mounted on a diplomat s dagger. In his announcement he did show also a photograph with diplomats(?) and gov officials (with cuff title -Ost-) and did write that on this photograph the certain portepee was worn. Unfortunately the pic was so blurry that I for me could not recognize anything. Wittmann did write it is a diplomats lower rank portepee.
This certain dagger, together with it?s special portepee later has been sold again by TMJohnson.

About one year ago I have been asked concerning the originality of a diplomat s dagger and it also had attached such a portepee. The dagger was original without any question. It is remarkable that this combo did come directly out of a private household! So it is without question period and diplomat related. As it has been the business of another collector I unfortunately could not do any research concerning the portepee.
At least these are the two (different) occasions I have seen such a portepee and in both occasions it has been attached to a diplomat?s dagger.

As said I now could buy such an extremely rare portepee from an auction and would like to know if any of you do know/have any hard facts about this kind of portepee and if you have seen such a portepee beneath the mentioned occasions.

Naturally my portepee did pass an experienced blacklight test without the least problem.

Thank you in advance, regards,

For my 5000 posting here I did want to show something more special. After years and a significant change in laws I could gain the ORIGINAL diplomat´s dagger this certain portepee has been worn on during the period. Once dagger and portepee had been parted (it directy did come out of the household of the former owner/wearer during the period) because the former buyer of the dagger did not know the true purpose of this portepee. Now both are reunited.
Even more I also could get the promotion document of the person who has worn this certain dagger with this portepee during the period. Now we know, that at least at the grade of "Amtsgehilfe" (office helpworker) this certain portepee had been proper. The document bears the ORIGINAL hand signature of Ribbentrop(!).
It is said (in the hosehold) that there could also be a proper hanger (reputedly a black leather hanger) but up to now it has not surfaced...
I know that there is litte interest in these special things but for true collectors this might be a highlight. I personally have seen such a portepee only for 3 (or two, if one time it has been one and the same) times in the world...
Regards.

Thats really what this hobby is all about, Wotan through your amazing efforts you have finally solved the mystery of this knot and have graciously shared it with the collecting community, on top of that you have a wonderful set and document that would be the envy of every collector, truly stunning and I congratulate you on your amazing find.

Gary