Is there a need? Would anyone help? I will be happy to email my list of makers in my possession that actually exist and are not speculative to anyone who will provide me there email address. The program is in word and guaranteed virus free. RZM m/7 13 vs a Herder and Engles. Hammesfahr vs Herberts and Meyer, SMF vs Herman Hann, Altenbach vs AM Bronn-who is the winner? Anyone interested? We could at least maybe come up with a list of real in hand makers. I know listings are out there but just because someone was assigned and RZM number doesn't mean anyone has ever found an HJ made by the firm. Something to do on the cold nights of winter? let me know Russ