#80782
05/30/2006 07:41 PM
|
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 15,099 Likes: 102
|
OP
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 15,099 Likes: 102 |
Gents,
I have been trying to trace back references to the "W" crossguard stamp as being that of the Feldherrnhalle.
The earliest reference I have found is on page 320 of John Angolia's "Dagger, Bayonets & Fighting Knive of Hitler's Germany". He also mentions an "L" for Liepzig.
Does anyone have a solid link to the use of the "W" ? Was it used as a supplemental gau mark on an SA dagger or should it be the only mark ?
Dave
|
|
|
#80783
05/30/2006 08:00 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 5,025 Likes: 31
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 5,025 Likes: 31 |
What I remember the W stands for "Wachstandarte"FHH or "Wachgefolgschaft"FHH. I think this is the marking on daggers of the cadre of the Wachstandarte Feldherrnhalle. There were also men from other sa-groups who did duty for some time within the Wachstandarte (I think to remember that Weitze has or has had a honor-document concerning such duty) and I assume that these would not have a W marked dagger. I do have no written proof for this, it is what I have heard and learned from elder, experienced collectors.
wotan, gd.c-b#105
"Never look for sqare eggs" as a late owner of an original FHH-dagger used to say.
|
|
|
#80784
05/30/2006 09:49 PM
|
Anonymous
Unregistered
|
Anonymous
Unregistered
|
Halocomb's SA book lists W under group abbreviations as Wachstundarte-W Standarte "Feldherrnhalle".
|
|
|
#80785
06/04/2006 11:34 PM
|
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 7,229 Likes: 1
|
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 7,229 Likes: 1 |
These do exist but are almost never seen. I saw one many years ago--it had the stamped W only and was on a very yellow nicotine stained piece-unquestionable and real and the collector did not know what it was.
MAX & OVMS Life Member, MAX Bd. of Experts. GDC Platinum Dealer. Collector since 1955.
|
|
|
#80786
06/05/2006 10:56 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 3,889 Likes: 2
|
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 3,889 Likes: 2 |
|
|
|
#80787
06/06/2006 12:52 PM
|
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 3,439
|
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 3,439 |
I have had 2 with the "W" marking, one on just the crossguard and one on both the scabbard throat and the crossguard. Both happened to be also marked with the group mark "P" for Pommerania.
I believe there were actually FIVE SA Wache (hence the W) Battalions, FHH being one of them. (Berlin, FHH in Munich, and three other big cities) These were made up of the best SA men pulled from various SA groups which would also account from the presence of a original Group marking on the dagger.
|
|
|
#80788
06/15/2006 12:40 AM
|
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 1,156
|
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 1,156 |
Mr Jerry, There were six sturmbanne of the Wachstandarte, Berlin, Munchen, Hattingen, Krefeld, Stettin and Stuttgart.
The "W" as a gruppe mark on a dagger doesn't really make any sense.
"History, in general, only informs us of what bad government is." Thomas Jefferson
|
|
|
Forums42
Topics31,677
Posts329,289
Members7,539
|
Most Online5,900 Dec 19th, 2019
|
|
8 members (Baz69, Vern, Gaspare, Stephen, derjager, den70, Nietzsche, bushido),
407
guests, and
184
robots. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
|
|