#72716
06/11/2005 05:27 PM
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Been a bit quiet here so I thought I'd post a couple of Sticks.
First up a 25 year DHV (Deutscher Handlungsgehilfen-Verband).
Cheers Don
"Much that once was, is lost, for none now live who remember it"
Galadriel, LotR.
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#72717
06/11/2005 05:27 PM
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"Much that once was, is lost, for none now live who remember it"
Galadriel, LotR.
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#72718
06/11/2005 06:02 PM
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Next up a DVB (Deutscher B�ro und Beh�rdenangestellten Verband).
Cheers Don
"Much that once was, is lost, for none now live who remember it"
Galadriel, LotR.
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#72719
06/11/2005 06:03 PM
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"Much that once was, is lost, for none now live who remember it"
Galadriel, LotR.
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#72720
06/11/2005 06:05 PM
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Lastly a VELA (Reichsverband der Wirtschaftsleiter).
Cheers Don
"Much that once was, is lost, for none now live who remember it"
Galadriel, LotR.
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#72721
06/11/2005 06:07 PM
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"Much that once was, is lost, for none now live who remember it"
Galadriel, LotR.
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#72722
06/11/2005 09:48 PM
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Here are three that I have on approval:
This is the "Ja" pin worn by supporters of the Naziz before those last election. Cheap tin hollow on the back.
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#72723
06/11/2005 09:50 PM
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I think this is the Glider section of the NSFK
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#72724
06/11/2005 09:51 PM
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This is the best one. Appears to be a miniature of a medal. Any ID or guess at value would be appreciated.
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#72725
06/11/2005 09:52 PM
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Close up of front. That is white enamel.
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#72726
06/11/2005 09:53 PM
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#72727
06/11/2005 10:38 PM
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Dave,
The last one is a stickpin of the Feldehrenzeichen, the known as the Field Honour Cross. This was a post WWI award presented by the city of Hamburg to all soldiers from there that served in WWI. Quantity awarded unknown.
I can't help with a value I'm afraid as these aren't my area.
Cheers Don
"Much that once was, is lost, for none now live who remember it"
Galadriel, LotR.
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#72728
06/12/2005 01:09 AM
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Nice stickpins Don. Thanks for the obverse and reverse shots. --dj--Joe
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#72729
06/12/2005 01:19 AM
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Mr. Hohaus, if this is the same item it is the central part of a WHW donation pin. --dj--Joe
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#72730
06/12/2005 03:36 PM
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Don, this is a first time see for me on the DBV stick pin. Interesting design, I like the way the eagle is depicted.
--dj--Joe
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#72731
06/12/2005 04:04 PM
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First that I've had my hands on one, although I've seen pix before.
Unfortunately, there's a little corrosion to the guilding on the front. However, it's hardly visible in hand as the badge is only about 1.5cm in height.
Cheers Don
"Much that once was, is lost, for none now live who remember it"
Galadriel, LotR.
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#72732
06/13/2005 03:10 AM
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Thanks Don
I love the 25 year DHV pin, I have the normal DHV pin but had never seen the 25 year.
The pin with the bust of the soldier is another one that I have been looking for but they(dealers) always think there made of gold.
Nice collection and great pictures.
TKissinger
TKissinger
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#72733
02/14/2006 12:02 AM
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This DHV pin arrived today, I had no idea that it was so small, the detail is great.
JRS
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#72734
02/14/2006 12:06 AM
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JRS
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02/14/2006 12:10 AM
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JRS
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#72736
02/14/2006 08:17 AM
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Very nice Jamie.
That's the problem with these things, often we don't get any idea of scale. I had toyed with the idea of getting one of those little scale things like you see 'em use on CSI & such programs to put next to items when I scan them.
Cheers Don
"Much that once was, is lost, for none now live who remember it"
Galadriel, LotR.
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#72737
02/14/2006 09:36 PM
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Very true Don,
JRS
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#72738
02/18/2006 05:26 PM
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What if we all settled on a scale comparison item such as a small 10mm X 10mm square of paper placed beside an object? That's just an for instance idea, but it should be something everyone could come up with. What org. does the DHV represent. It appears to be medical related. I've got a feeling some meaning gets lost in the translation. --dj--Joe
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#72739
02/18/2006 07:47 PM
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The DHV stands for: Deutschnationaler Handlungsgehilfen Verband (National Association of Commercial Employees),- a right-wing conservative white-collar worker's group.
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#72740
02/18/2006 07:56 PM
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Schloss 1, thanks. I was beginning to think I was rattling around in here by myself. When typed into a translator Handlungsgehilfen comes back as Action Assistants. I wonder why the use of the caduceus? Is it still a caduceus without intwined snakes? --dj--Joe
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#72741
02/18/2006 08:22 PM
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Hello Gents, Thanks for the translation, I too have been racking my brains trying to figure out what Action Assistants did Joe, Might be an idea..... (with the paper). Cheers Don
"Much that once was, is lost, for none now live who remember it"
Galadriel, LotR.
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#72742
02/19/2006 12:08 AM
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Hi Don. The paper square might work or perhaps others will kick in an idea.
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Appears from some quick limited research the winged staff is not considered an Askulap / Caduceus. Aparently there have been various representations used over the years, two snakes, single snake, and it has been confused with the staff of Aesculapius.
I have yet to run across an image or a description of the winged staff alone.
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#72743
02/19/2006 12:35 AM
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Allow me to add to the confusion with this image showing snakes along the inside edges of the shields. --dj--Joe
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#72744
02/19/2006 02:35 AM
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In German-English dictionaries, that symbol, is used to indicate a Commercial term (Handelswesen). I dislike using on-line translators except for one-word translations, as they are most always inadequate for longer type words, such as "Handlungsgehilfen". Other symbols used in German dictionaries are (1) crossed swords for a military term; (2) crossed hammers for a mining term; (3) a Postal Horn for a term having to do with the Postal Service; (4) an anchor for terms having to do with nautical; (5) an open book for scientific terms, etc. In the case of this badge, having on it that 'Handelswesen' commercial symbol, it narrows the translation down from many meanings of "Handlungs---" to a commercial term, & so the "Action" translation is not correct, as not pertaining to what is at hand. So a "Handlungsgehilfe" would be a salesclerk, or sales assistant in a commercial store.
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#72745
02/19/2006 02:40 AM
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I see it Don ... Good info S1 thanks...Heres a ring that the owner knew was real because of the provenance but wasn't exactly sure of what the organization was!
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#72746
02/19/2006 04:50 PM
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Schloss 1, again thanks for the info. The emblem you mention from the dictionary, is it with or without coiled snakes?
Gaspare, thanks for posting the ring. Nice ring, thanks to the owner.
--dj--Joe
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#72747
02/19/2006 09:31 PM
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Joe, the picture of the symbol is tiny, but using a magnifying glass, yes, one can see the twisting snakes curling outwards under the wings. I don't understand why snakes are used but it must have something to do with olde German trade, industry, or scientific symbols.
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#72748
02/27/2006 09:01 AM
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The badge of derjager show.... The wings of Hermes, Classic Greek god of commerce. He had winged feet. The Romans took over this god of trade and called him Mercury. Mercury (Mercurius) symbol is the serpent-twined staff. On his statues you see M. with the staff in his hand and the wings on his helmet. On Jamie's and Gaspare's picture is the winged staff. Cheers, Benten
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#72749
02/27/2006 09:05 AM
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Don I forgot to mention your beautiful badge in the begin of this item.
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#72750
11/18/2007 05:02 PM
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Thought to bring this thread back around. Some may find it of interest.
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