Reiny,
I can take them either with or without the patina, that is, as long as the engraving is nice!
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There are always two distinct thoughts on the subject of cleaning, no doubt about that.
When they're as beautiful as some of these fine examples I just try to appreciate them for what they are ... either way is lovely!
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Best!
Bill