#42514
04/14/2009 10:22 PM
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A friend has lent me a fake Gottlieb Hammesfahr. No scabbard.
So here goes. If anyone wants different pics, let me know. My camera has not been cooperating so not all shots are perfect.
Here it is. First impression is that he blade is brighter and more reflective than a real blade. It looks like one of those buffed and Simicromed beauties but the letters are not all blurred.
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#42515
04/14/2009 10:23 PM
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Another
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#42516
04/14/2009 10:26 PM
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Tip. Compared to that of a Hammesfahr SS dagger. See what I mean about brighter ?
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04/14/2009 10:30 PM
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#42518
04/14/2009 10:35 PM
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Tang. It appears to be a little larger than on real blades and has no tang marks at all. More signs of work on the tang than I like to see, but it did happen on real blades.
I conclude that the blade was forged, not cast, but from a different alloy than the real SA/SS blades.
Stay tuned. Tommorrow I will use the digital microscope and hope that the camera will behave.
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#42519
04/15/2009 05:15 AM
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Hi Dave
Thanks for the pictures so we can learn a lot. Do you have a picture of a real MM to compare?
Regards Jan
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#42520
04/15/2009 01:42 PM
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Very interesting, Dave!
What about the grip? Is that an original?
It sure looks good on Pic 1.
Best greetings,
Herman
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#42521
04/15/2009 10:29 PM
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Yes the grip is original but reworked. Crossguards too. In the meantime, I want to work through the blade with you.
Here are a couple more shots of the blade:
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04/15/2009 10:30 PM
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Closer. Mirror shiny
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#42523
04/15/2009 10:31 PM
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Two shots of the fake trademark. Note how fat the lines appear
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#42524
04/15/2009 10:32 PM
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Different light
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#42525
04/15/2009 10:34 PM
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Here is the trademark compared to a correct SS G.Hammesfahr trademark. There are NO real SA trademarks available. The fake is on the left
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#42526
04/15/2009 10:36 PM
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A second view. See how the fake is just perfect but the lines seem a little too fat. Also a bit higher on the blade than the real SS
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#42527
04/15/2009 10:38 PM
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Remember that USB digital microscope I mentioned a few day ago ?
It really tells the story here. Here is a real close up
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#42528
04/15/2009 10:40 PM
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And a closer up. Note the (too) perfect detail
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#42529
04/15/2009 10:40 PM
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Great thread Dave - the fake mark looks a little too precise compared with the original.
Regards
Russ
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#42530
04/15/2009 10:41 PM
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Some of the detail on the fake
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#42531
04/15/2009 10:42 PM
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Now, here is what the SS trademark looks like - the real deal
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#42532
04/15/2009 10:45 PM
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Under high magnification, you can see that acid etching was not perfect. Not nearly as perfect as the fakes
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#42533
04/15/2009 10:47 PM
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Same applies to the rest of the trademark
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#42534
04/15/2009 10:48 PM
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Now the fake SA motto - 1
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04/15/2009 10:49 PM
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04/15/2009 10:50 PM
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04/15/2009 10:52 PM
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Back to the Califone USB microscope.
Same as the trademark, so I won't put up endless shots. Here is the fake
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#42538
04/15/2009 10:54 PM
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Same letter from a real SA. A Kober
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#42539
04/15/2009 11:00 PM
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I think you can see from this:
- The SA G. Hammesfahr is a fake
- At first glance it might pass but the blade is too shiny and the motto/trademark really nice.
- You need more advanced tools to check out your blades.
The scary part is that they are faking SA blades which are 25% of the cost of SS blades.
Stay tuned: The grip and crossguards in a day or so.
Anyone needing more pics speak up.
Dave
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#42540
04/16/2009 08:56 AM
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Great analyses, Dave!
I look forward to see the rest of the dagger.
Best greetings,
Herman
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#42541
04/16/2009 09:10 AM
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FANTASTIC tread Dave Looks like i need to invest in a USB digital microscope Are they on Ebay??
Regards Carlos1
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#42542
04/16/2009 10:18 AM
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Dave great detective work & very interesting to know about these fake blades i,m glued to this thread........Regards Scott.
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#42543
04/16/2009 02:03 PM
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Thats very intresting and scary,, these fakes are so good , i think some credit has to go to mongo whos intricate exhamination of blades was shown on a similar thread,
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#42544
04/16/2009 08:31 PM
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Now the grip. Genuine with a doubt, but reworked. The crossguards have also been buffed. Their surface looks like the "brushed metal" surface available on newer kitchen faucets.
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04/16/2009 08:32 PM
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The contours are blurred
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04/16/2009 08:33 PM
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There is either a fault in the wood or a repair
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04/16/2009 08:33 PM
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Different view
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#42548
04/16/2009 08:34 PM
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Great job, Dave! A very educational thread! My respect!
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04/16/2009 08:34 PM
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The rune is OK
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04/16/2009 08:34 PM
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Reverse same as obverse. There is a barely visible "Om" gau mark
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#42551
04/16/2009 08:37 PM
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Crossguards are P.A. and are real but buffed with a brush or steel wool.
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04/16/2009 08:41 PM
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That it.
The easy tell-tales are:
1. Blade too shiny 2. Maker's mark too perfect, even to the eye
I'll keep it for a day or two in case anyone wants other views.
Dave
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#42553
04/16/2009 08:55 PM
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Very informative thread Dave well done Sean
Regards Sean
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