#41221
11/20/2009 02:17 AM
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wasn't there a proper size requirement for the Junkerschulen (in the early years like this photo shows)? Then they needed no shorter Degen for the long legged new LAH Untersturmf�rer. Just pick the longest ones
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#41222
11/20/2009 02:22 AM
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Beautiful examples Bob: To me the SS/Police swords are the most elegant of all 3rd Reich swords. In a most sinister way of course! Jim
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#41223
11/20/2009 03:58 AM
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Thanks Jim, I just have a soft spot for all swords, especially Damascus ones?! SS/Police swords are awesome as are Luftwaffe and the rest. This is my problem in life, I like it all!!! Best Wishes, Bob
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#41224
11/20/2009 07:54 AM
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quote: Originally posted by jim m: Thanks for the picture Ross: This photo and others like it has always raised a question for me. It appears that Himmler would take whatever sword was given to him from the pile the other officer is carrying and present it to the next man. Now we all know that honor degens come in different lengths to account for differering heights of the wearer. I wonder if and how this was taken into consideration during the presentation? Jim
Or maybe the presentation was just that - A presentation of the degen, a ceremony and the degens were collected afterwards and the recipients actually later received theirs??
Tor-Helge
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#41225
11/21/2009 12:54 AM
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this would not show any German traditions, do it right and not only half way ...
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#41226
11/21/2009 07:17 PM
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On 2 instances I have seen an SS officer's name on a small piece of paper, that had been rolled and placed on the inside of the pommel nut, of an early degen.
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#41227
11/21/2009 08:19 PM
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That could explain the "sorting out after the ceremony" possibility.
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#41228
11/21/2009 08:27 PM
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That's been my thought after I encountered the second of such degens, found with the recipients name on the piece of paper.
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#41229
11/21/2009 08:36 PM
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Why would it be so hard? IE example any graduation have 100's of diplomas. I can't imagine it was hard to organize a group in a specific order with a bunch of swords.
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#41230
11/21/2009 08:44 PM
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I would suspect that the officer was carrying about 10 degens perhaps at one time. They would kind of get mixed up a little when taking one from the stack at least for the first few. Perhaps the name tag under the pommel assured that in the end the right degen ended up with the proper new candidate.
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#41231
11/21/2009 10:01 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Eric Rader: Why would it be so hard? IE example any graduation have 100's of diplomas. I can't imagine it was hard to organize a group in a specific order with a bunch of swords.
Funny, the graduations I have been to lately, they hand them the diploma cover(all the same), and give them the actual named diploma paper for it after the ceremony. I guess in modern times, it has become too complicated....
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#41232
11/21/2009 10:11 PM
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that is sad!!! My trade school, high school and college (both) had our names on the diploma.
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#41233
11/21/2009 11:05 PM
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quote: Originally posted by vintagetimenow: quote: Originally posted by Eric Rader: Why would it be so hard? IE example any graduation have 100's of diplomas. I can't imagine it was hard to organize a group in a specific order with a bunch of swords.
Funny, the graduations I have been to lately, they hand them the diploma cover(all the same), and give them the actual named diploma paper for it after the ceremony. I guess in modern times, it has become too complicated....
The reason they give only the covers is the grad may not have passed all their exams.
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#41234
11/22/2009 05:03 PM
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Ref JR,s comment, I too have seen a "name tag" in the form of a rolled strip of paper carrying the name,SS # Rank placed inside the hollowed out pommel nut.Often wondered if it was part of the "Himmler Presentation" process??? Seiler (Yank in UK)
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#41235
11/24/2009 11:05 AM
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Hello , i like the Swords. I find he looks fine to my. The Setup from the Swords looks beautiful !! Sometime i find a Sword for my Collection! The Pics from Himmler from J:R and Ross. NICE! Gays congratulate to your Swords. Best Regards Sebastian
Search a Chained SS Dagger and a officer SS Degen
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#41236
01/02/2010 07:01 PM
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36 Model........... early no maker..........
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#41237
03/07/2010 12:19 AM
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#41238
03/14/2010 09:00 AM
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HI Guys, My lovely example once belonged to SS Gruppenfuhrer Dr Friederich Weber. I've had this degen researched and verified by Thomas Wittmann and Robert McDivitt. Both these gentlemen gave me tons of information to verify the original recipient. Dr Weber was very instrumental in helping Hitler gain power and was present at the beer hall putsch in 1923. Like all these swords, they are a very important part of history. Regards, Wolfslair.
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#41239
03/14/2010 09:00 AM
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03/14/2010 09:01 AM
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#41241
03/14/2010 02:23 PM
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A seldom seen degen of significant importance and attributed.................a wonderful piece! Could you check the metal composition of the hilt pieces for us ? I like to try and date these officer's versions with that info. Thanks an congratulations... JR
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#41242
03/14/2010 08:34 PM
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Thank you JR for your compliments. The fittings on this sword are all of nickel silver and the SS knot tag interior marked 158/35. Hope this helps. Of interest, this sword will be coming up for sale in the near future. Regards, Wolfslair.
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#41243
03/14/2010 09:44 PM
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Indeed one of the earliest production examples. A fine one for sure.
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#41244
03/18/2010 02:05 AM
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#41245
04/13/2010 07:59 PM
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#41246
04/13/2010 08:00 PM
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#41247
04/13/2010 08:15 PM
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#41248
04/13/2010 08:27 PM
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quote: Originally posted by tobau: next
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#41249
04/14/2010 04:10 AM
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Here's my only Officer Degen; hilt is all nickel except Assmann aluminum Rune button. Stepped fit.
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#41250
04/14/2010 04:11 AM
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#41251
04/14/2010 06:43 AM
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Beatiful swords gentlemen. Great photos but nothing beats when you can see and hold one in your hands. Regards, Wolfslair
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#41252
06/06/2010 08:33 AM
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quote: Originally posted by jim m: Thanks for the picture Ross: This photo and others like it has always raised a question for me. It appears that Himmler would take whatever sword was given to him from the pile the other officer is carrying and present it to the next man. Now we all know that honor degens come in different lengths to account for differering heights of the wearer. I wonder if and how this was taken into consideration during the presentation? Jim
Here's a thought. Maybe they got all these officers who where roughly the same height to stand side by side. If you study the photo you can see these men are all nearly the same size. 10 guys at 6 feet stand together, next ten guy who are 6 feet 2 inch stand together etc. Both photos show guys lined up all seem to be the same height. Just an alternate observation! Best, Wolfslair.
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thanks for dredging up this rare photo...a proud moment in time to be sure.
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Here's one that came in recently. Unmarked, uncleaned, 33 in. blade. -serge-
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Let's try it without the RR Eagle back-drop. -serge-
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I looked just to see JR post one... JR you sure can photo those bad boys you have. U were humble on this thread with just that picture!
"There is no end to making money, but there is an end to life."
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Whats the longest out there? Just got one in thats 40" total and the blade is 33", seems pretty long !
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I have had blades on SS degens up to an exceptional 37.5 inches in length.
A 33 inch blade, such as the example you own, is an attractive length for these SS degens and very desirable.
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Posting for Barry Brown.
* The tallest sword is an early no maker mark type with 37.5" blade. * The middle is an early P D Krebs with 33" blade. * The shortest is a "birthday sword" with 30.5" blade.
Gary
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