#34820
09/20/2009 04:26 PM
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Hello,
Big surprise to find this one in a local militaria show this morning. Same number on blade & scabbard. Mint blade. Wonderful stag grip. If someone has an original leather frog for this one, I'm buyer.
Best regards.
JC
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#34821
09/20/2009 04:27 PM
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#34822
09/20/2009 04:28 PM
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#34823
09/20/2009 04:28 PM
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#34824
09/20/2009 04:29 PM
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#34825
09/20/2009 04:29 PM
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#34826
09/20/2009 04:29 PM
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#34827
09/20/2009 04:30 PM
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#34828
09/20/2009 10:05 PM
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An excellent catch Matrese! Congratulations on a scarce bayonet.
"You can't please everyone, so you've got to please yourself." Ricky Nelson
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#34829
09/20/2009 10:33 PM
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Dang, thats a nice piece. Have always wanted one, but the prices on these are crazy.
TKissinger
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#34830
09/20/2009 10:43 PM
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Very nice piece, especially the nicely toned stag grips. Also nice to have a matched inventory number too. If you can't find a Luft marked frog I think you can simply use a nicely conditioned brown patent leather example.
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#34831
09/21/2009 12:24 AM
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Long misunderstood but these are finally being appreciated for what a fine and scarce Luft item they truly are. -Congrats-!
-serge-
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#34832
09/21/2009 05:18 PM
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Thanks. I like this one too....
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#34833
09/21/2009 07:37 PM
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Wow, what a beauty I really love these and they are indeed rare birds to find. Finding one in this condition makes it that bit more fascinating! JAN
An avid KS98 bayonet collector.
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#34834
10/25/2009 10:52 PM
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These are one of my favorite bayonet style knives. Tom Wittmann thinks the H may stand for Hildesheim, and these may have been issued to a special Luftwaffe unit guarding the air field there which housed experimental aircraft.
John Merling [email protected]MAX Life member OVMS Life member(Ohio Valley Military Society SOS) OGCA Life member(Ohio Gun Collectors Assoc) NRA Life member
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#34835
10/25/2009 11:33 PM
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Vintage! Dear LORD!!! Please slow down and let the rest of us catch up!!! Johnny
Silver Badge #0398 My Avatar = My dagger security system!
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#34836
10/26/2009 02:11 AM
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were these supposed to be blued? i have seen maybe 7 of these int he last 15 years on the internet. nice!
BCN Founder
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#34837
10/26/2009 02:35 AM
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The metal oval guards are not stainless, and often develop a rust patina that looks like bluing. Some are numbered, but most are not?
John Merling [email protected]MAX Life member OVMS Life member(Ohio Valley Military Society SOS) OGCA Life member(Ohio Gun Collectors Assoc) NRA Life member
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#34838
10/26/2009 09:38 PM
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John what a collection there are a lot of fakes of these in england have you any pointers? i have been looking for one for a few years now but never been happy with the ones i have seen. Sean
Regards Sean
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#34839
10/26/2009 10:31 PM
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OOOh nice, I have one in my drawers...somewhere..
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#34840
10/28/2009 02:33 AM
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quote: Originally posted by seany: John what a collection there are a lot of fakes of these in england have you any pointers? i have been looking for one for a few years now but never been happy with the ones i have seen. Sean
Sean, look at the overall quality..these are very well made. Also, the stag should show age. Last, check out the stampings, they should look exactly like these. Good luck, John
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#34841
10/28/2009 08:59 AM
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Great collection. Thank you for showing them. Could you flash some of the blades? Sincerely, HUBERTUS
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#34842
10/28/2009 02:01 PM
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John:
No wonder I cannot find a minty example of one of these... you have them all.
My eyes are sore from staring...
John
Always looking for Eickhorns and etched bayonets.
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#34843
10/30/2009 10:18 PM
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cheers john i will try to find one soon
Regards Sean
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#34844
10/31/2009 01:17 AM
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What happened to my posts?
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#34845
10/31/2009 01:20 AM
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Oops,wrong forum!!!
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#34846
10/31/2009 08:41 PM
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Interesting that there are no service frogs-all dress frogs-and no knots. Did they all come that way?
MAX & OVMS Life Member, MAX Bd. of Experts. GDC Platinum Dealer. Collector since 1955.
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#34847
10/31/2009 11:49 PM
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I`ve seen these mostly with the brown frog or no frog at all. Paul Zaya and I both have "out of the wood work" examples with the brown frog and no knot. Still in shock over John`s big group shot. OMG!!
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#34848
11/01/2009 12:01 AM
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Unfortunately, most of mine are not direct vet purchases. I did get one with a brown dress frog attached, and a bullion portepee. Many of mine came without a frog, so I chose to put a brown frog one, because it's supposed to be Luftwaffe..so, mine is a skewed sample.
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#34849
11/01/2009 02:59 PM
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Not meant to be critical in any way. One would think an issue piece, as the numbered ones seem to be, would also have an issue frog. Also, these have never been proven to be Luftwaffe so I was also wondering about the knots found with any direct vet purchases as the true purpose of these scarce pieces remains a question. Just as an addition-in the old days I saw one with an early small oval Eickhorn TM.
MAX & OVMS Life Member, MAX Bd. of Experts. GDC Platinum Dealer. Collector since 1955.
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#34850
11/01/2009 06:41 PM
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Here's one from Brian Maederers site, so I have no idea on the provenance:
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I wonder if, regarding these pieces, the grip retaining screws should be made of any particular metal ie brass or nickel. Many thanks John
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So--Where are all these fakes we keep hearing about?
MAX & OVMS Life Member, MAX Bd. of Experts. GDC Platinum Dealer. Collector since 1955.
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It has been awhile since I read up on these. What is the connection to the LW? LW acceptance on the blade or something? Waffen-Loesche was a commercial dealer in Berlin.
"This hobby is a continuing education" Looking for Walther Model 8 #727649 and Walther PP #975557
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