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Got this one today in my hands and want to hear some opinion/ideas/coments.
Ring is silver, nice seam, outside clear stamped "875". Two piece with soldered on plate. This shows the coat of arms of the city of Wilna.
Inside a for sure hand stitched engraving: "Erinnerung an Kampf g. Bolschewismus" - "remembrance for fighting bolshevisem".

Thanks!
Here some pics

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29!!! hits and noone with opinion?
I can�t believe!

Ring is casted.


It WAS engraved deep at first ring. What I see on pic is cast engraving.


Looks like geometry of stamp is incorrect (as a result of lost wax).

There are few more things but I think with these should be enough.

Sorry Richard!
The pics are real not the best, but the best i can do in moment.
You know thats very hard to take perfect pics.
Maybe not good to see, but for sure the inside engraving isn`t cast. I had looked at it under the microscope and you can see at every letter the signs of the stitching die.
And, as you can see too on this not so good pics, the engraving crosses the soldering seam.
The stamp outside (875), again without doubt, stamped in with a die and covers too the outside of the sizing seam.

Stamp must be rectangular. On pics we see wrong geometry. First number is also strange.

Inside ring I see gas porosity.

And engraving...

And soldering seam is questionable.

Again sorry.
I disagree in the point engraving and seam - both are not questionable. Handmade engraving and real soldered seam for sure.
Gas porosity? - Hm, maybe - maybe not. I don`t want to make a sure statement - its a worn ring and nobody knows what happend to it
In the case of stamp i think you are the expert, but in real this stamp looks much better than on the pic.

Ok, if you do not trust my eye about casted engraving please look on word Kampf. Lover part. Please explain why we do not see full letters. Lower part is missing.
If we presume that it is hand engraved on this ring than letters must be visible perfectly because it was done after ring was finished.
If ring is cast with engraving then *worn* out letters are perfectly explainable. After casting all rings must be sanded/polished with dremel type tools and as a result some part of engraving could be sanded out.

Wow a strange one! but cool...I see things I like,,and some I don't,,,And silver does weird things when reallly worn..

Key is probably that engraving.. Clean a small portion,,get the cam in there and check on your monitor.. IF real engraving,,you will see start/ enter marks and sometimes 'out' finish marks when the tool comes out..

Have you done any research on it yet? Is that a Saint on front?,,,do the dates mean anything.

Hm.
Very hard to take better pics. I will try it this week and you guys understand to make me unsure - so i will take again a look with the microscope on the engraving.
Here i will give update.

The "Christophorus" is coat of arms of the city of Wilna.1941 Wilna was taken by the germans.
With the "VII" it could maybe be that this stand for a unit. Wilna was taken by the 7. armoured division.

scan of stamp and seam - between 8 and seven

Looks like maybe it took a hit!
,,,seam appears to be real,,here is solder bleed:

clean that engraing a little and get in there with cam!
maybe entry marks, or?

Ok - i dit my best, but i think pics still not optimal.
Better pics are for me in the moment not possible.

First i want to tell that i baught this ring only because i got it very, very cheap.
These "handmade" rings are not my collecting area - i collect the mass produced ones.
I am not interested to make here a bad fake ring to a good one - i only want to know the truth about this with a lot of work made ring.
I took some best possible pics of seam, stamp and parts of - i call it in moment "engraving".
Remember this hallmark is in real very small - about 1 x 2 mm. And this is an older hard worn looking ring.
After looking again under the microscope i am nearly 100 % sure the mark is stamped in with a die.
In the case of the seam i am to 100 % sure its a real soldering seam. Inside not so good made - there is some "bleeding" of the solder material. Outside perfect - in parts very hard to see. Outside it crosses the hallmark between 8 and 7.
"Engarving":
Hm? in parts it looks real like cast in in other parts i believe to see signs of the stitching die.
I don�t know what i should think on this ring.
A true period one or a fantasy item with a lot of work in it?

Those are great detailed photos, whatever the origin of the ring is? How did you get that detail?
Digital camera: if so what is the resolution?
Artificial light: if artificial, what kind of bulb?

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Man! that ring had a tough life!!

So much work done to it,,a fake? , authentic?

You can only do what you've been doing,,,take one problem at a time.

*Maybe the 'engraving' is supposed to be in it like the SAAR ring [?]


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Thanks friends!
In the moment a well done, but questionable ring for me.
Maybe later we find more about this one.

@spacey:
Oh - was very hard for me and i think there are guys that make this much better.
Camera was canon ixus 210. Pics taken on a repro-desk with artifical illumination. And a little work with microsoft office picture manager.

Thanks to all here for help!