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Klaas sold etches to many other blade makers.
I will start a thread on Klaas made etches and slowly add to it as time passes.
The first etch that I have to show you is a very recent arrival and is a long, double etched blade. Double etches are not common with Klaas and neither is the TM used on this particular bayonet.
The obverse consists of the standard Klaas dedication to service with its Celtic looking bookends and the words 'Ges Gesch' inscribed in the bottom right corner of the etch.
The Reverse has the same Celtic, intertwined bookends and a dedication to 14 Company, Infantry Regiment 106.
The interesting thing about this bayo is that it has a very hard to find Klaas mark, the kissing cranes alone, plus the name (I think) of a distributor, Hommel.
There is a little plating loss on the obverse tip, but, other than that, a nice bayo pics of which you can see in Wayne's book on page 249.
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As much as love etched bayonets the best thing about this bayonet (in my warped opinion)is the Trade/distributor. As I told John earlier there may be a few of these out there but I've only seen two in the 20+ years of collecting. The one I seen was a long blade non-etched version about 22-23 years ago.
Just how many dual marked bayonet has the TM symbol and distributor on the same side of the blade.
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Terry,
That's a first for me, very cool to see the 2 marks integrated. Beautiful bayonet as well John (as usual).
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Thanks, guys.
Here is another long etched bayonet by Klaas. This one has the same Celtic looking bookends, it has the 'Ges Gesch' in the lower right corner and it exhibits the more common Klaas TM, the words in a circle around the kissing cranes.
Best of all, it is dedicated to Panzer Regiment 1, out of Erfurt.
It looks a lot like the one pictured in Wayne's book on page 227, but has the TM on the reverse and has a slightly different font .. compare the word 'Panzer' here to the one in the book.
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And, here is a version of Klaas catalogue pattern 1264 on a long blade.
The short blade version of this etch is the same except that the oak leaves at the beginning and the end of the dedication are omitted on the short version.
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Good stuff here so far I havn't come across a Hommel maybe someday.
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Very nice John,and the last one has super nice and interesting etch.Thanks for sharing.
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This is definitely a Klaas etch, but it is on a CJ Krebs marked blade.
It has the Klaas Celtic-type intertwined bookends and dedication.
But, it also has the front fuselage of a Stuka dive bomber. You can see this etch as well on page 133 of Wayne's book.
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John,
Simply put, these etch patterns just get better and better all the time. Thanks for your tireless effort in giving us all a first-hand look at these marvelous Blanke Waffen.
Best!
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Well done John. I have said for years that someone ought to do a reference book on just Klaas edged weapons. They are different from other manufactures and ALL their daggers, swords and bayonets have slightly different designs and construction that separates them from the rest IMO.
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Agreed Ron! And I luv 'em!
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I have two etches by the other Krebs... Peter Dan Krebs. While it is certain that Klaas made most of the etches for PDK, there is one etch pattern that is very different from anything made by Klaas or anyone else for that matter.
Wayne, on page 205, shows this etch and speculates that Krebs may have had this done as an exclusive etch pattern by someone outside of Krebs (or maybe even Klaas).
It is a plain unadorned etch on a long blade and came to me courtesy of our very own Terry K.
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Now, this etch, on a Peter Dan Krebs blade, is definitely by Klaas.
It is found pictured in Wayne's book on pages 74 and 75.
It is a short blade with a double etch.
The obverse etch has the standard Klaas intertwined bookends, a dedication to Flak Barrage Battalion 88 and a flak gun with its crew.
The reverse etch has a Luftwaffe eagle and a helmet sandwiching the words for Christmas in Wartime, 1940. Of course, the Celtic looking Klaas bookends give away the manufacturer of this piece.
And, it is finished by the stamped Pet. Dan. Krebs logo with name and lobster.
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John maybe this is the second HUMMEL.
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Another two for you forum.
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Two Hommels in two days, there every where. Now I just have to have one.
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You know, Terry, I am not wedded to the Klaas etch I only pick these things up to keep me busy while I am waiting for the right Pack or Eickhorn etch to come along. I could bring this with me to the MAX and maybe talk some kind of trade or something???? Let me know. I really consider any non-Pack or non-Eick blade to not be in my core collecting interests. John
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Richard Abr Herder seems to have purchased all of their etched patterns from Klaas.
Klaas pattern 1252 with the so-called potted plant bookends and the Klaas Wide eagle pattern is one such.
The twist is that this etch is the so-called reverse pattern and appears on a long, stag hilted bayonet.
Pictures of this etch are on page 222 of Wayne's book.
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Here is the same etch on a short bayonet... also pictured on page 222.
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Here is a Klaas made etch with the Celtic type intertwined bookends, the Klaas Wide eagle and the addition of extra sprigs on either side of the eagle.
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Herder sold this etch pattern, which is not a Klaas etch at all. In fact, it looks like Herder bought at this pattern from Holler. For sake of completeness, I include it here in what is supposed to be Klaas made etches.
It is a dedication to Panzer Regt 1 out of Erfurt.
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Here is a single etched bayonet with no maker mark, but definitely by Klaas.
This etch features the Klaas wide eagle, but with a unigue set of bookends.
You can find this etch pictured on Wayne's book in page 256.
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The Klaas wide eagle with the potted plant bookends, but on a mini bayonet. No maker mark.
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Here is a double etched blade by Klaas, even though it has no maker mark.
The obverse has the standard dedication with the Celtic type bookends, but with a Luft eagle.
The reverse has the Celtic type bookends with a Luft eagle and a dedication to a Flak Regiment.
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And, here is an unmarked Klaas etch to the SS.
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Here is a double etched shooting prize made by Klaas.
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This is a single etched bayonet by Waffen Max Weyersberg (WMW) but definitely made by Klaas. It also has a unique presentation.
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John, Now you're just showing off!
beautiful stuff!
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I picked up this crappy conditioned etch at the MAX this year.
It is a Herder blade with a Klaas etch that is pictured on page 221 of Wayne's book.
Despite the condition, I wanted this etch since it is a pretty rare etch pattern to find and it is dedicated to Anti Tank unit 37, which was attached to Panzer Brigade 1 along with Panzer Regiment 1 (also on a Herder etch) and Panzer Regiment 2.
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One of the 'tells' when you look for fake etches is a combination of etch type and maker mark.
For example, one would not find an Eickhorn etch on a Klaas marked bayonet.
In fact, Eickhorn, Pack and Puma etches are only found on their own bayoents, or on unmarked or distributor marked bayonets.
Other makers, such as Holler and Klaas weemed to have an open door policy and one can find their etches on several different maker marred bayonets.
The only exception that I know of this for Pack is an unlisted but definitely Pack etch found on a Hack Werk, Steyr marked bayonet. Hack as an Austrian manufacturer and their logo, their name and a fish, are found on several blade types. Hack also manageged to obtain a Klaas etch on their blades.
This etch on a short bladed maker marked blade is found in Wayne's book on page 195 and is the Klaas Celtic type bookends on either side of a Luftwaffe droop tailed eagle and a helmet on the other.
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So H&M was the distributor?
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Nope, Hack-Werke was an military arms manufacturer located in Austria and established in 1875.
They obviously did not have the facilities nor the expertise to etch, so they bought their etched blades from other manufacturers, Pack and Klaas that we know of.
In the TR era, they produced SAs, Heers, HJs, Luft2s, NSKKs, dress bayonets and swords. All NS production was, of course, after the Anschluss, so no tapered tang armies or Luft1s that I know of.
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Here is a non maker marked, but distributor marked etch that is definitely made by Klaas.
You can see this exact etch on page 250 of Wayne's book.
It is a long blade, single etch. It has the 'potted plant' bookends that you can see in the Klaas catalogue on their items 2181 and 1252. And, it has a dedication to Anti Tank Unit 42 of Bad Connstatt. The distributor is Joh Hiller of Bad Constatt.
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Great pics and a very useful thread.
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A later produced etch pattern, the 2181 in their catalogue, has the potted plant bookends and a plain dedication to time in service.
This is a long, single etched bayonet and is pictured in Wayne's book on page 253 and it has no maker mark.
BTW, I finally found a typo in Wayne's book... on page 253 it says Klaas etch pattern 1281, but in the catalogue pictured on page 224 it is definitely pattern 2181.
Here it is:
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You have seen this etch pattern on a Hack marked bayonet earlier in this thread, and here it is with a Klaas TM.
A short bladed single etch with a Luftwaffe motif... the bookends (the Celtic type cross) tell us that this etch was pre-1938. In 1938, as seen in their catalogue, they switched to the 'potted plant' bookends.
You can see this etch on a long blade on page 226 of Wayne's book.
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