#24810
03/25/2010 05:35 PM
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I think this is an orginal NPEA dagger, but the frog is for a regular bayonet, not the NPEA
best regards Fredrik
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#24811
03/25/2010 05:36 PM
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#24812
03/25/2010 05:36 PM
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#24813
03/25/2010 05:37 PM
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#24814
03/25/2010 05:37 PM
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#24815
03/25/2010 06:22 PM
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Mr.Ronald Weinand Has a great book on this type of thing...A good place to start..
Collector of Edged Weapon art.
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#24816
03/25/2010 06:40 PM
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Yes i have the book, and its look ok
/fredrik
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#24817
03/25/2010 08:00 PM
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That is great you have the book.. Can you post pictures of the scabbard?? Regards: James
Collector of Edged Weapon art.
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#24818
03/25/2010 08:15 PM
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#24819
03/25/2010 08:31 PM
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Really like the woodgrain pattern!
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#24820
03/26/2010 02:11 AM
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This dagger does not look correct to me. The school markings should be stamped. The grip color and grain is not the usual for this school and time period. The blade maker mark etching looks too thin. The lug on the scabbard looks too long. Pictures of the ends of the grip when taken apart would confirm my suspicions, plus a look at the tang.
John
John Merling [email protected]MAX Life member OVMS Life member(Ohio Valley Military Society SOS) OGCA Life member(Ohio Gun Collectors Assoc) NRA Life member
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#24821
03/26/2010 11:37 AM
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But in Mr Winands book about Npea daggers, my dagger looks just like the ones from the Spandau school. and its look like the marking on the crossguard is right, and i dont see anything wrong. but im going to look at the tang and grip.
best/fredrik
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#24822
03/26/2010 01:00 PM
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The SP marking on your example is routed in, as opposed to stamped. Yours only has one period, and it is round. Look at the stamping on the example I posted. Maybe Ron will comment as well.
Pictures of the inside of the cross guards, the ends of the grips, and of the tang would help.
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#24823
03/26/2010 03:22 PM
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Looks like a lot of red flags. Post a pic of the scabbard without the frog.
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#24824
03/30/2010 06:41 AM
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Thanks for all help, i didnt buy it. everything was fake,
best regards Fredrik
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#24825
04/05/2010 09:14 PM
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Wow! I noticed that it just sold for $2728.00 and had 21 bids. Looks like someone, some day, is going to be Very unhappy!
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#24826
04/05/2010 10:01 PM
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Yes, that is unfortunate. Probably a young collector making his first big purchase....probably his last....
John Merling [email protected]MAX Life member OVMS Life member(Ohio Valley Military Society SOS) OGCA Life member(Ohio Gun Collectors Assoc) NRA Life member
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#24827
04/06/2010 05:16 AM
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Where? on Ebay?
i didnt buy it, thanks to all nice people on this forum
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#24828
04/06/2010 05:49 AM
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YES,,,where was this item sold???...maybe the buyer will be watching this forum and tries to get his money back...
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#24829
04/06/2010 08:05 AM
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Does any one have the link to the ebay? was it a swedish seller?
/best fredrik
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#24830
04/06/2010 01:01 PM
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Looks like a seller from Ft Myers Florida, Top-rated seller ybbs-donau ( 2366)
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#24831
04/06/2010 01:10 PM
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John in your opinion was that one OK? Believe it was stamped NO 34 or something like that
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#24832
04/06/2010 02:17 PM
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No, the one on eBay was bogus too. The grip was made recently, the Number stamp is unknown, and the style of the numbers is wrong. The scabbard is a repro..long lug, attached ball on the end(real ones the ball was part of the 2 stamped halves which was soldered together). I suspect the blade is a repro with the high ridge with an early Burgsmuller marking...I'd have to see the tang to be sure.
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#24833
04/07/2010 02:06 PM
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Their bad. If you look in my latest book you will see the proper letter and number fonts and the details that give these fakes away.
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#24834
04/07/2010 04:02 PM
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Thanks John for the info I see what you are saying confirmed my feelings I have Ron's books but they are in storage during house move.Very expensive junk eh
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#24835
04/07/2010 04:14 PM
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Thanks for all your help
best regards a happy Swede
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#24836
04/08/2010 02:10 AM
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To preserve the pictures of the second Fake NPEA, I have copied them here.
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#24837
04/08/2010 02:10 AM
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#24838
04/08/2010 02:10 AM
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#24839
04/08/2010 02:11 AM
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