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Colleague. I should prefer the untouched piece, but I am so chary of what passes for provenance, that one does have to deal with a ration of credulity in much of this. Well restored, the Lenfilm pieces are attractive and, as I wrote above, have appreciated in value. However, it is a matter of taste. Some people are very extreme in their demands, which I have no choice but to respect. You and I have had this discussion here many times. You and I have also seen material in Germany that has been denazified, a fact that has made me more lenient in my approach.

Again as many SS and Heer tunics were de-nazified at the end of hostilities and also upon surrender I do not view it as sacrilage to restore orginal insignia to original tunics using period or natural thread in the correct manner, especially if the piece in question is not for re-sale but rather for personal enjoyment. If a dealer or collector were to offer such a piece for sale than it would be a moral question that only the seller of such a relic should answer. I do not know what purpose it served to mention that a particular collector was unhappy to view pictures of his collection upon this site. That is a matter between the person who posted the images and the owner of said items.If the person in question were really upset than he is more than able to address the matter with Mr.Lee. Such interference can only agravate a situation. Perhaps the matter was best addressed with a private email to Mr.Lee. I know Stephen Lee to be an upstanding chap and a true asset to this forum. Just my observation and opinion cheers, Ryan S

I also know and esteem Steven Lee, as well as I know and esteem Peter Jenkins. Ryan's intervention is quite sound.

Gentlemen,I have spoken to Peter today and he does not have an issue with our collections being posted on this forum.They have now gone back to the vaults were they will languish untill brought out again in the future.

I will be purchasing new items [ to me] and therfore will be posting my named LAH "Tunic" and "Mantel" in the "for sale" section in the very near future if any collector's are interested in Allgemeine SS ,I do not wish to seperate these two black pieces from one another!
Regards,,,,,,,,,,,Stephen

There can be no doubt that uniform items with original insignia attachment is the goal. Provenance, if you are lucky enough to have it, should be documented and retained with the piece.Provenance is the real history of an item which is just as important for an Infantry Assualt Badge as it is to a General officer tunic. Pure history and easy to lose. As to replacing original and proper insignia to original uniforms and headgear, I have no problem with it.I have replaced boards and collar tabs on an M-43 tunic and will also on a peaked cap. I look at it as a way to display insignia as it was used.The hugh concern is that down the road our re-done items will be considered period and fully original. They are not, and to my mind can never have the same respect the rare untampered with pieces deserve.I suggest we indicate an altered piece with a note or document which will give it its own provenance.I have already done so. Thanks.

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Our Dutch friend's piece was restored in a fashion that might be described as slightly at variance with the regulations, but maybe not.

Yes Donald, I've already stated this to be true after digging up some old mail correspondence with Bill. I find this topic to be very interesting and helpfull and, if I may say so, a very polite one too. Now, I've given this some considerable thought and I have decided I will not alter the insignia. I love the piece as it is and giving it the 'right' insignia wouldn't change that. It would only make it look like an 'unaltered' piece and I wouldn't be surprised if it would 'hit the market' like one in about ten years (after I've sold it). I think that is the most honest thing to do.

There is much that remains a mystery to me after forty years of engagement and reflection with these fetid woolens. So long as you leave the Lenfilm stamp in tact, you are surely being honest about the tunic. I like the colored striped cuff titles much more than the later badges, in fact. They are rare and have an aesthetic to them, surely. Viel Sammlerglueck.

Stephen do you now still own the 33 banner and Th. the dress tunic ?