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Hi,

Here with more Weitze stuff, this pair seams to be OK ?

Thank's

back.

(1250 Euro ==> 1550 $ US !!)

Donnerwetter!

Curious as to an English rendition of that opinion Sir.

Holy sh**! oder Ausruf der Anerkennung oder des Zorns! It was made popular in Strauss' Gypsy Baron (ca. 1850-1860), actually, and is a take off on the use of the French word for umbrella to avoid having to say "My God...", or something similar. Cf. Duden, Zitate und Aussprueche, which is like Bartlett's quotations. The price of SS stuff in Germany is incredible.

Perhaps they are trying to reclaim their history ?

Dave

Prices are beyond the average joe, Im gonna collect books.

Isn't the St RZM tag for embroidery only? What's embroidered on these.

In fairness to the Hamburg cosmos, I have seen "St" RZM tags of this sort on things that did not strike me as really being embroidered, actually. Surely others of these Schulterstuecke did contain embroidery, while these here do or did not. However, as a rule, I am highly suspicious of SSVT or SSTV regalia of the era 1934-1939 or so. But there are others here who are more at home in this regalia than am I. One should show this to colleague Hritz or Gary Wood on the other site and solicit their comment.

nothing for me otherwise I would jump on VT boards.

Thank you very much for replys

Hi Mr Abenheim,
the prices for SS items are everywhere incredible !

Hi Robert,
take your chance Jump !
They are not on hold for me, Jump !

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Originally posted by Strasburger:
Thank you very much for replys

Hi Mr Abenheim,
the prices for SS items are everywhere incredible !

Hi Robert,
take your chance Jump !
They are not on hold for me, Jump !

To my Alsatian colleague, I guess such a trend benefits me in the long run, but it makes the acquistion of new material problematic. Alles gute!

For what it's worth I personally don't believe that St. on RZM tags stands for embroidery, (stickerei). Based on all the SS equipment documents I have seen I think that it simply stands for stueck, (piece). These plain boards would certainly seem to bear this out.
Regards,
Derek

The Thayer article in the Bender magazine of the cusp of the year '94/'95 contains the assertions of the two kinds of cloth tags from the era 1934-1937 or so. We would profit from any citations from original documents. How sad that no one is alive from the RZM or the Verwaltungsamt SS who was familiar with all of this upon we could rely, yet further. The Kaienburg book on "SS Wirtschaft" has excellent research on some of this, with highly promising citations from record groups in the Bundesarchiv which would surely cast light on a lot of this ephemera and cryptic remnants.

Mystery Of The Tags...

Greetings to all,

Often RZM tags were purchased and applied in advance of the expected application of embroidery.

I think this could be the case here.

Regards,

Hi!

It doesnt make sense that it should be for "Stueck" instead of "Stickerei". Why dont we find this tag on the backside of rank tabs then? According to Ulric of Englands first book on cuffs it should be for "Stickeri". You can usually see the tag with no "St" on insignia without embroidery. Therefore it makes kind of logical sense it possible could be for "Stickerei".

It could be for something else too, but most likely not for "Stueck".

Cheers,

Felix

Just found this interesting thread. Something I am curious about is when (if?) the "St" was discontinued on tags?

The cloth tags were apparently phased out ca. 1938 in favor of the paper tags, or, at least, that's the theory. It also makes sense in the dimension of: a.) the SS was growing rapidly; b.) the economy was gearing up for wartime mobilization with particular emphasis on the textile sector; c.) the SS was also strapped for cash, as well, in fact, for various reasons. However, I have never seen anything definitive, save the assertions in the Thayer article in the Bender magazine. sapere aude.