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"Reconfigure"??
Where did that come up?
OK, most all can "reconfigure" an SS dagger, and a few can "Reconfigure" it masterfully and make a $100,000+ "prototype". So what?
If you really want to know...IMO most of these scarce transitionals (That left the factory like this in a 33 scabbard) had been "reconfigured" into a "Chained SS" dagger..Again so what? It just leaves much less of the "unmessed" with originals for collectors.
And if someone has been in this hobby for a long time as Selleck mentioned earlier, back when one could find a lot of these "pure-veteran bring-backs", one would encounter this configuration on occasional occurances from different sources. Yes, back then we didn't say "Hey, that's a 36 dagger in a 33 scabbard" (unless one wanted to buy it on the cheap and put it into a chained scabbard ). Oh yes, that was the thing to do, all kinds of things were done and could be done...but I'm talking about "Factory original", in as issued to the SS man.
If someone wants to read Himmler's August 1936 order for the chained SS scabbard that we used to back then call the (Officers Model ) one can see clearly that not only did many SS men not qualify for the "chained scabbard" but even the ones that did that there was a shortage of chained scabbards up to the time of the war.
So, let's say perhaps at the factory they said "Oh! We're out of chains again"! Does anyone think they would take the blade out and put it into the "chain blade bin" and then slip a marked transitional or RZM blade into the dagger before mating it with a 33 scabbard?

Anyway Dennys I've been too conservative on my "valuation". So someone who knows what it is and gives a "serious" offer. Well for those guys who say "It ain't worth it"!, and then it sells...well as the saying goes the "buyers is always right". Because he'sbuying while the rest of us are giving "arm-chair apprasials".

What is it worth???? What someone else is willing to pay. (No "reconfigures" need to apply.

Regards,
-serge-

I know talk is cheap but how many collectors would pay $11,000.00 for a factory unmarked M33?.Becareful of what you ask for,you may get it.As my post explains one does not have to go back in time to reconfigure a couple of daggers into a substantial profit.The only thing that needs to be changed is the scabbard.$100,000.00 prototype dagger where did that come from?.I would not buy one of those either.The chained SS is not an officer dagger but I think you know that.I am not sure if they were ever factory made but the fact remains one will never know and because of that they will not bring the kind of money you surmize.If they do the market will be seeing many more rare unmarked M33 daggers soon.Also why do you know so much about unmarked M33.What makes them transitional and not early.Why do they conform to M36 specs with no serial# or group mark.Why are'nt plated fitting ones not seen? If the shortage of M36 carried on into the platted M36 post 38?.

I don't know so much about "unmarked-33's". I just know that I have seen enough of them in 40 years it the configuration that Dennys and mine is that I don't need a book to tell me.
No I don't know how they happened or why. Just know they are "authentic". We can surmise a lot of "possibilities and probabilities".
My "belief" is that these unmarked 36 type nickel no district stamp SS daggers were put in 33 anodized scabbards during the initial production run of 36 chained nickel SS daggers. That time period would be from Himmlers order in August of 1936 to sometime in mid 1937 when we started to see the first "plated" 1936 chained daggers. The "estimated time of SS chained "Nickel" production by some authorities in the hobby place the inital nickel-run at under a year.

I call them "transitional" or propably a better term would be "variant", due to fact that all the ones I've seen like this had no maker mark or district stamp. Outside of that it has all characteristics of an early M33.

SS-Officer dagger was a term we used for the chained dagger back in the late 60's early 70's.
We now know that that is not quite true. But if you ask any of the old-timers that is what we called them back then...and that's what we believed at the time.

We are still all learning.

Regards,
-serge-

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Originally posted by zorro:
"$100,000.00 prototype dagger where did that come from?.I would not buy one of those either.The chained SS is not an officer dagger but I think you know that.I am not sure if they were ever factory made but the fact remains one will never know and because of that they will not bring the kind of money you surmize.If they do the market will be seeing many more rare unmarked M33 daggers soon.Also why do you know so much about unmarked M33.What makes them transitional and not early.Why do they conform to M36 specs with no serial# or group mark.Why are'nt plated fitting ones not seen? If the shortage of M36 carried on into the platted M36 post 38?.

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Hello.
NO, Serge is not wrong!
I remember seeing the official video on VHS of the 1994 MAX Show, where Mr. Thomas Wittmann was showing for the first time ever a couple of SS Prototype dagger by ALCOSO probably made in 1941, both cased with prototype black and silver hangers. The asking price was US$ 300.000!!!!!! I wonder the value for the pair today...let me guess...half million may be??
I have pictures.
Dennys.
SS PROTOTYPE-001

SS PROTOTYPE-002
The gentlemen holding that dagger is Thomas Wittmann.

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