i didn`t express what i meant very well!. i`m by no means an hj expert, but on every hj i`ve seen, except for the new repros, the `angle` that the grip chequers run at, is a different angle to the sides of the diamond. so , when a diamond is fitted into the grip plates, the pattern of the grip chequers `run-out`, and don`t run straight along the sides of the diamond`s angles. does that make any more sense to all?, i hope!!. Wink