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Thank you, Paul and Pat.
I studied at the feet of two masters. Both of you have shown me what good pictures can do. And I think that I have learned from you.
And thank you all for looking and commenting.
John
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Paul and Doug:
Great daggers there.
On Doug's dagger, I note that the grip is black and has been painted. Same on Paul's. However, on my black grip, I see white material on the inside. Take a look at the three shots of the inside of the grip.
What can account for this? White grip painted black? If that is the case, then it was done before the wire was applied, right?
Interesting hobby isn't it?
Regards,
John
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quote: Originally posted by JohnZ: Paul and Doug:
Great daggers there.
On Doug's dagger, I note that the grip is black and has been painted. Same on Paul's. However, on my black grip, I see white material on the inside. Take a look at the three shots of the inside of the grip.
What can account for this? White grip painted black? If that is the case, then it was done before the wire was applied, right?
Interesting hobby isn't it?
Regards,
John
Easily solved by just taking a tiny scrape from under the pommel or ferrule area, just a tiny scrape from an edge, I bet my pension that grip is Black throughout. Nolan
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Nolan/Paul:
I will do that and get back to you.
Maybe I am just misreading the pictures.
John
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If you do a look at the "Luft2 - a Crappy Zeitler" -thread you can compare my ZEITLER. Obviously parts baught at the KLAAS firm, nearly identically to JohnZ�s KLAAS with yellow grip. Regards,
wotan, gd.c-b#105
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quote: Originally posted by JohnZ: Ed:
That is how I interpret the white color on the inside of the grip...why would anyone paint the inside of a grip?
If it is a paint job, it is a great one... you cannot see any sign of it on the exterior.
John
Did some knows the history of the Luft Funeral daggers ? Are they made as "Funeral daggers" or did they made them with other types of grip and repaint them ? Lh 600 Nice dagger John Z
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Enjoying the show LH600 the funeral dagger is just a term made up by collectors Klaas for some unknown reason had some black grips that they used up in their production. They all have remnants of paint on them which indicates they where not issued in black. Why did Klaas have some Black grips? Guess that will remain one of the unanswered questions of the hobby.
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quote: WW2-Collector
Hi Many thanks for the info about this type of daggers Lh 600
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Spot the odd one out >
This was posted by Denny, many moons back and was taken at the wedding of Eric Hartmann. I would love to see the uncropped original if anybody has it?.
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There is some debate in the collecting community as to if they all were originally painted white or yellow/orange. Some hold that quantities of these where sold with black grips.
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That photo has been thrown around for ages, surprised no-one ever spotted that dark/black grip before??? Could a grip have darkened so much during the period or is it indeed Black?? Whatever! I would like one, I love 2nd Lufts.
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Well Guys: I took a sharp knife to the inside of my black grip and found that I could scrape off the whit stuff on the inside. The grip is solid black... The white stuff could be caked on grease or hardened glue, it is hard to tell except for the fact that it was caked on pretty hard. So much for jumping to conclusions and trying to outguess years and years of knowledge about these daggers Thank you all for your great comments and sharing of information on these neat daggers. John
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Concerning the well known photograph: Imo this prooves nothing because, if that certain dagger would have had a black grip it also would have a black blade(!). Grip AND blade in the photograph are distinctly different to the daggers in the photograph. Imo this is simply caused by any shadow. Regards,
wotan, gd.c-b#105
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I just looked at the handle of mine and there are a couple of very tiny scratches that show a lighter color underneath.
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Eric:
Yours is a funeral dagger... for sure.
Cool!
John
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