#17739
05/31/2009 08:48 PM
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i have been offered this hanger as a ss or army generals under tunic sword hanger does antone know if it is ?
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#17740
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#17741
05/31/2009 08:49 PM
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#17742
05/31/2009 08:49 PM
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#17743
06/01/2009 12:01 AM
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Sorry--that's an Imperial Sword Hanger
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#17744
06/01/2009 12:14 PM
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hello houston i found the same hanger in whittmanns ss book listed as a fire police hanger nick
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#17745
06/01/2009 08:32 PM
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I have one similar that came with a police officer sword. Of course, I don't know when it was attached.
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#17746
06/02/2009 01:08 PM
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A fire police Officer degen hanger would have silver fittings and a silver bullion faced strap. The vast majority of Imperial Army Officer sword hangers have red backing,gold fittings, with various color strap facings ( some multi color). Many will also have a rather heavy black painted brass or iron snap. Some of these hangers were used during the Third Reich period especially if an Imperial sword was carried which was allowed under certain circumstances. Also notice the checkered pattern of the leather on this hanger--typical of Imperial hangers but not Third Reich.
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#17747
06/02/2009 04:19 PM
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#17748
06/05/2009 05:01 AM
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Red leather with gold bullion facing and gold colored metal fittings were the colors of the Trageriemen fur dem Langen Sabel of the Prussian Gemeindepolizei according to the 1932 uniform manual. As a matter of fact, this hanger is almost identical to the one illlustrated save for slight difference in the hanger chain configuration.
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#17749
06/05/2009 03:26 PM
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so is this a ww2 era police sword hanger can you post a photo ?
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#17750
06/06/2009 09:51 PM
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The photo is in black and white; the description in the manual gives colors and size of the trim. I will try and scan it. Prussian 1932 Gemeindepolizei is not WW2 era Nazi police. New regulations were issed after the nationalization of the police in 1936. Did Wittman write that it was a Fire Police Hanger or Fire Department Hanger. I can see it being a sword hanger for one of the other non-Prussian fire departments of the 1920s-1930s.
At the same time Houston makes a good point about the Imperial hangers. You have to work and research for a match.
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#17751
06/06/2009 11:15 PM
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#17752
06/09/2009 03:21 PM
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I dug out Wittman's book and the only photo I could find was black and white. Am I missing the color photo that you matched to your hanger?
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#17753
06/13/2009 04:34 PM
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IMO this is not a Third Reich period manufactured piece although it may have been used during that period
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#17754
06/13/2009 06:05 PM
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Houston is correct. This is an Imperial Sword hanger, not TR. Ron Weinand
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#17755
06/13/2009 07:01 PM
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I guess it does not matter now but,I also agree it is Imperial. Regards: James
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#17756
06/13/2009 10:14 PM
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Yes, it's Imperial/Weimar, but could have been worn on a TR or earlier sword. Some worn in the TR era were of Imperial/Weimar manufacture. Not "regulation," but still allowed.
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