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JONATHAN !!!! Well what can one say?

It is beautiful.
It is wonderful.
It is all and everything..

-wagner-

JR, best photos of my Naval Shooting Prize by Alcoso is in Wittmann's Navy Dagger Book. It was awarded for K98 rifle shooting. A nice 4 page spread with better shots than I can produce. I don't have the JR ability in photography. Wish I did.
Ron Weinand
Weinand Militaria

Big Time Congratulations!
No jealousy here (well maybe a little of the good kind!)
It is an absolute beauty and a mega part of World History.

Mike

Here is a photo representation of the 4 SS Honor Daggers I have been blessed to own. This one, my first, was owned by Chip Gambino, and came from Barry Brown originally.

This second one was an indirect veteran purchase. Bought by a friend of mine and sold to me 24 hours later.

Here is the chained SS Honor that I purchased out of the woodwork directly from the grandson of the veteran.

Here is the 4th, which I also purchased directly out of the woodwork, from the guy who bought it at a gun show for pennies. This one was on this forum a while back, and you will probably remember when it popped up. As a result of the price I had to pay, I was unable to buy it for my own inventory, but in effect, bought it on behalf of a third party. But the experience was mine to cherish for a lifetime

I still have two SA Honors (one chained, and one unchained) but I have never been able to afford to keep one of the SS honors, due to the price I have had to pay. I've handled several other ones, including the excellent one that Gailen pulled out of the woodwork, as well as the one that Jonathan owns - quite a nice one. These are without a doubt the pinnacle of any dagger collector's collecting career to own one.

For more shots, please visit my "gallery" on my website. I'm always happy to answer questions about any of the advanced daggers, and I know where others are available for sale, if anybody has an itch they need to scratch

All I can say is "Roll on China"
Seiler (Yank in UK)

Whoa Baby............. bring on the Honors! BEAUTIFUL! I want one Craig!

Flags,swords,daggers and rings meant a lot to the Nazis.They touched their standards to the blood flag to consecrate it.Swore an oath of loyalty with their hand on the sword blade.Received their dagger at the Feldherrnhalle on Nov 9.Worthy SS men recieved rings inscribed with symbols of legend.I cannot believe that Eickhorn would take a blade that had been dishonored and make a honor dagger from it,still makes no sense.I know it is just a dagger blade. Who would know if the inscription is removed? It is more than that,much more.

why does it have to be sour grapes to ask questions?
if an honour dagger was given to a recipient were is the honour in using a ,for want of a better word , used blade? especially one with a removed engraving from a denounsed traiter .if the original owner bought this dagger i can see why he would use the blade out of his service 33 but if it was awarded i cannot see the issuer wanting to give such a dagger with a dround rohm blade
so were honour daggers given out for free or did you have to pay for the honour of receiving one?

One more thought: If the giver didn't consider it important to give a Damascus blade, then Eickhorn might have considered just taking a standard one from the stock shelf-and the Rohm blade reground was used on period M33s. So maybe this would have been a decision made by the factory men.

Dear Ron: Your wasting your time.

Gailen David

Yes, Gailen, you are right. Please note the last photo of Craig's beautiful daggers. The blade to crossguard fit is not perfect. Does that make it suspicious? I don't think so. I would think Eickhorn pulled whatever "Rohm" blades it had after the purge and ground the Rohm inscriptions off, then placed the blades into their normal blade bins or whatever they had to hold them. They probably didn't look nor did they care if the blades were ground Rohm's or otherwise. They were a commercial enterprise where the name of the game is to cut costs and make money.

Congratulations on a great purchase John. Will we see you at the party next weekend?

St�phane

Jonathan: I went back and looked at the picture of your SS Honor once again and man is it beautiful!!!!! SS Honor is the top of the food chain.

Gailen

Stephane:

Yes, I will be there. Unfortunately, the SS Honor will not.

John

Gailen: I agree. I've personally owned 4 of them, and have handled both yours, Johns, and a few others, and I have to say that without a doubt, John's is one of the finest ones I have seen. What I like about his is a) the pattern on the damascus, and b) the level of gilting on the piece. Truly a magnficient specimen.

Now let me understand this right.Every night the SS man who received an "Honor Dagger" took it out of the scabbard and gazed on it like we would like to imagine he did or did it get stored in his locker and when he had to wear it he cursed "the darn thing swinging around " maybe that's why they went to a service pistol

hello
do we know if these honour daggers were given as gifts or did they have to be bought??

The SS Honour dagger was adopted in 1936 for presentation to SS members who had been recognized for special achievements.
These were given and could not be sold.

Great informative thread.

Well done John / Jonathan , and i'm only envious in a nice way...

Mark

if they did not have to be paid for by the recipreint why would one have a plain blade? if i was the reciprient of an honour dagger i would expect mine to have a damascus blade. then when i saw mine had a plain blade ,a ground rohm at that, i would get worried and expect a knock at the door!

how about this
we all know that in the past several uk and us dealers went to soligen and bought lots of daggers parts .an honour dagger with a plain blade or a ground rohm blade was put together using these parts????
or after the war eickhorn seeing an interst in 3rd reich daggers put together daggers using parts they had in stock???
i do not believe himmler would have given out an honour dagger with a ground rohm blade
DO YOU??

Somewhere in a reference book there is a very clear period photo of an SA honor dagger with a plain blade. One might ask if there were such daggers for the SA, might there not be the same for the SS? However, the photo was probably faked postwar to ****er collectors into buying fake and parts honor daggers with plain blades. It's all a conspiracy! Perhaps the damascus blades were of earlier or later vintage. Some determination might be made by comparing the early and late crossguards with the types of blades they have. Perhaps, at one or more times, the supply of damascus blades was short and the demand for presenting honor daggers was high, therefore, the plain blades were placed on some. Honest-to-goodness "plain blade" honor daggers were made and presented. If any of you skeptics finds an honor dagger with just a plain ol' blade, I'm sure you'll pass on it, even if the price is right. Please post the information here, so members may take a chance and buy it.

Here's a photo from p. 65 of Angolia's "Daggers, Bayonets & Fighting Knives of Hitler's Germany" (1st Edition), clearly showing a "plain blade" example. The sidebar is interesting. He implies the honor daggers were authorized and the recipient of the award then purchased his own dagger. If this is so, it may explain the "ground Rohm" blade phenomenon. The owner may have simply used his old blade and had it attached to the honor dagger fittings. I suspect this information is dated and, perhaps, incomplete or inaccurate, in light of information developed since publication of the book (1971).

Here is page 102 from "Third Reich Dagger Reproductions" by Bowman (1993). Note it is a photo of an original "Eickhorn" catalog page (1937). Note also the "plain blade" on this SA honor dagger.

Hay Nick! The SS Honor dagger we are refering to has all matching numbers. This means the crossguards and even the grip have the same stamping. What are the odds on finding those parts? Oh! And then we have to come up with a scabbrd. We know the for a fact that the SA High Leader Dagger is found with a plain blade, so why not the SS Honor. I am so sick and tired of listening to no nothing people on this forum. Dave, Do me a favor and throw me off this damn forum for saying this. You'll be doing me a favor!!!!!

Gailen

Grumpy: I am also awarding you the order of "The Golden Badge of the Hairy Oak Leaves
for Persistence." You have shown true courage in the face of ignorance. I am so very proud to have known you.......somebody shoot me!!!

Gailen David

Grumpy,You might want to get a COA for that "Golden Badge of the Hairy Oak Leaves for Presistence"In case some no-nothings have the audacity to have any doubts about it.

You know, guys, I have absolutely no qualms about this dagger at all. It is pictured in two different reference books (by THE TWO TOMS), it comes from Chip Gambino, a man whose reputation and integrity are unquestioned, and has been vouched for by more than one honorable and expert collector.

I made the right decision to sell my first born son to be able to buy this dagger and stand by it.

The fact that it is a plain bladed dagger only means that it costs half of what a Damascus dagger would. And I run out of kids to mortgage very quickly (this is a joke for you serious types out there).

And I am thinking about possibly bringing this with me to the SOS so that those of you who are doubters and those of you who are believers can see for yourselves what this is all about. For sure, I will be showing it off to a few friends of mine in Canada once it arrives here safely (hear that Paul, Patrice and Stephane?)

It is incredible to me to have seen the formal, on this site, and the informal, via PM and via separate e-mail, support that I have received from the best and the classiest people on this forum. Thank you all and I only wish that, at some future time, I can give you back the encouragement and support that I have received.

John

This is my "Silver Honor Ring of the Hairy Oak Leaves for Persistence" A lot of people think it is not original because it has no hair,but those of us with high school educations know that after 70 years they go bald.It's in all the books.The SA had one with a beard.To the tune of "To a Smoker it's a Kent" To a Nazi it's a chained SS,To a Biker it's a leather vest'To a T** man it's a great big chest,To a Dagger it's the blade.ForumA MEDIUM OF OPEN DISCUSSION.)John if your happy with it so am I.If you want to talk about it just let me know.Over and out.(X

John

Good for you John!

You have been adding many great daggers
for sure!

Bet its outstanding!

PVON

Hey

Nice dagger and cheaper than a 911 turbo which looses money right after you leave the showroom...NICE Piece.

Personnally, I think it's a good buy.

Zorro: There ia picture of "The Golden Order of the Hairy Oak Leaves for Persistence" on the front cover of the May, 1941 German publication "Kinderbrain."

Gailen

It's not so much as the plain blade.It is the fact that it is a Rohm and never presented as such,odd.Would not the swordsmiths be able to put a polish and crossgrain without any indication it was a used blade.Would not Eickorn use a used blade on a EM instead of their top of the line product.SA highleader dagger had the squirrel over the shoulder trademark on some,but not on the SS Honor.Where is the factory catalog with a plain blade SS dagger. The handle has matching numbers so what .its the blade.People act like any kind of dagger could be bought at Val-Mart.Would Himmler give out not-so special daggers to some?Also now all fully factory ground Rohms are no longer valid,because they may have been made that way from the get go and were never owned by a SS man with the dedication. Does the price of the relic reflect on if it is original.Is the guy who bought the 1936 Chained honor at a gun show not one of the "BIG TIME" players because he only paid $575.00. for it.I am glad some of the forum members agree with me that the dagger is odd.May be right as rain, but odd.

Hasn't all this been said before???????????????

Gailen David