JWotka, I clearly remember that old thread you mentioned and have search & searched for it without success. It appears to have been one of many threads that have unfortunately fallen to some administrative cleanup crud. The disappearing thread issue is rather irritating, especially in cases of beneficial threads with solid information. Anyhow, I remember that it included the card from Mollo�s collection with the two metal edelweiss examples and your valuable input. Believe I retained a copy of the card and your comments�I can repost this information later.