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this is my first ss tunic and fingers crossed not my last!. it arrived today from mr lukacs who really is a great guy slim
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i had money set aside for a chained SS but bought this and a named ss helmet instead , decisions decisions............ slim
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looks very nice have a nice pear of ss shorts for this .now i just need your jacket kind regards judas
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i must say these tropical tunics are still at a good price to buy for a ss tunic i would like one my self can you show a close up of eagle and collar tab please kind regards judas
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hi judas here you go.......
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A very nice Saharina tunic you bought. Do you want to complete it with the right headgear and so on? Would look for sure very good with the whole equipment.
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hi robert thats my next target to complete it with all the right equipment. i just missed out on the afrika binos on his latest update. did you or do you own a saharina tunic or know of anybody that has completed one with the right gear on it if so maybe they can post here..
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It's the collectors request how to complete it, for my part I would look for a belt and for the right headgear like a side cap or maybe a tropical helmet or one nice south front camo helmet. Binoculars would be also a great idea for s nice display. But as we know such things are not easy to find but thats our hobby.
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thankyou robert and fred and judas for your comments regarding this tunic......
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Don't know alot about cloth but that is a beautiful tunic, congradulations!!!
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In my opinion something is wrong with the angle on the runic tab?
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here we go again is this necessary prorege,this is not a test for these type of runes tabs! their is nothing wrong with this tab at all. hasse and fred tonym etc etc see no problem here and these people know what they are talking about!! they alone have some of the best SS tunics, helmets you will ever see anywhere. why do you only comment now when this tunic has been posted here for a while now? its because you seen it on the WA forum thread which is deleted now because of jokers like you thats why!! lets hear your thoughts not repeats of the ramblings of other jokers on the other forum...........
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What's wrong with my comments and what do you mean with "here we go again? I have been collecting for 33 years so please don't tell me what to think. I have(and have shown on this forum and elsewhere) a few of my own W-SS tunics. I would personally not touch such an off-line angled collar tab as you show above with a firepole.
I have seen the topic on the other forum this morning, no pictures/comments since they were all deleted so apparantly you were given the same advice from others as well. Good luck.
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....and please refrain from calling me a joker.
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Although I do not want to intervene in previous discussions regarding these tabs, I agree with prorege. I should not want to have such tabs in my collection, for the simple reason that I have never seen them on older tunics, i.e. tunics with a long pedigree or rock-solid provenance, and on period photos. Just my opinion.
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quote: Originally posted by prorege: What's wrong with my comments and what do you mean with "here we go again? I have been collecting for 33 years so please don't tell me what to think. I have(and have shown on this forum and elsewhere) a few of my own W-SS tunics. I would personally not touch such an off-line angled collar tab as you show above with a firepole.
I have seen the topic on the other forum this morning, no pictures/comments since they were all deleted so apparantly you were given the same advice from others as well. Good luck.
you are entitled to your opinion prorege which i take onboard i do honest! this tab has a lot of experienced collectors divided as to real or not. on a final note i would like to ask its former owner who commented above his input into this debate!! best SLIM
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I dont think the angle of the runes is a real concern. But rather how they appear to be woven.The edges are unlike any of the common enlisted woven runes I have ever seen.
To support another statement I made about it even having collar insignias take a look at the one for sale on the estand of another forum and also one for sale right now on Manions auction. Neither are badged with collar tabs.
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john the angles arnt the problem the border is. can you explain please and show some examples of what you are saying thanks
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I brought a thread to the top so you can browse the original collar tabs posted there.Im no expert on enlisted tabs and frankly dont know if yours is a fake. Im more concerned with the placement on the tunic.Most of the tabs Ive held or bought had a very defined edge.
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Well, its not the angle that prorege meant that bothers me. Please look at the red lines in the photo. The runes are too "tight". This is the main difference between this tab and originals in my opinion. The borders are a bit faint as well.
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felix there are tabs in the thread that john brought to the top " thankyou " that dont line up either. this method deos not prove anything when dealing with enlisted tabs thats just my opinion. i am sure that if you perform this test on officer tabs the results will be a lot different.........
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Well the classic shape goes for the enlisted tabs as well. If you compare with a straight edge on the photos you will notice that only one collar tab in that excellent thread dont line up. All others, despite being beaten up and waterdamaged, do line up.
Therefore I dont agree with you. The runes on your tab are too compressed. But its my opinion only and comes from my limited knowledge.
If you like the tab its a good thing for you, and you have something nice to warm your heart with in the cold winter.
Happy collecting everybody! //Felix
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i have a supply of the finest irish whiskeys to keep me warm over the winter months .. best slim
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Which brand is the best in Irish eyes? I Like Jameson and Tullamore! But my scottish friend keep telling that is NOT whiskey! Cheers, Felix
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well my friend jameson is a big no no here, not much flavor in it for export only!!. my fav is bush and grouse and on a very cold nite boil the kettle and add 3 sugars to a double of any one of these two and you will know what i mean quality, you know what i think i will have one now cheers everybody.......
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went to the cupboard the bush is all gone "the shame of it" i will just have to open a new bottle of grouse so thankyou scotland!!
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Ref the above picture of the vertical angle - yes that bothers me as well. The "old-fashioned" rule of thump is shown in my above picture with the horisontal angle. Compare to all the EM collar tabs in the post "well used ss insignia".
An additional pic is attached with all the various angles inserted.
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This is becoming a very interesting discussion. Is there any rule regarding the angles? I concur with Johnpic79 that the weave - after looking it more closely - is of more concern to me. Don't know however if there were later war variations with reduce in quality and so on.
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It should also be noted that this kind of runic tab seems to pop up quite often recently.
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The weave appears very flat but that may be the picture.Note on the known originals the hump where these are flat.
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There is of course the consensous that the runes should be as shown, by the art work nicely posted and we cloth collectors of course always look for these angles on our collar tabs. Just for comparison catch a glimps of the estonian volunteer to prove that not everything is the so called "text book" type,one rune longer than the other and totaly off line together,we would have this attributed to Manion's and Co if it appeared today! ,,,,,Stephen
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has the soldier on this picture metal runes attached or are this woven collar tab runes?
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Robert, Being a volunteer he may well have the metal runes,but there are some collectors who dont think metal runes ever existed,,,,,,,,,
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then they have to make their homework
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ONE INPUT FROM MY SIDE REGARDING THIS TUNIC:
I NEVER OWNED OR GOT THIS SHOWN SAHARINA TUNIC FROM FORUM MEMBER "slim" IN MY COLLECTION NEITHER ANYDAY IN MY HANDS OR WHATEVER
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Well if not real mr. Von Lucas has a good return policy. I thought that his SS uniform items were accepted as above reproach by the collecting community? cheers, Ryan
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Ryan does every dealer always sell real things or do any of them occaisionally have a questionable item? How can an item be original just because of a reputation? I say that too many people use the names of the dealers they buy from to authenticate an item. An item should sell itself.Debate over authenticity has nothing to do with who sells it.
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Not saying of this is one real or not, as I really don't know, but I do know there is a varaint type of runic tab that was not made the same was as the "puffy" RZM type of tabs that we are used to, but rather with the more flattened style of embroidery, and lots of embroidery (almost like a TK tab). Several years ago I saw a few in veterans grouping that I unfortunately did not get. I wished that I would have at least taken some photos. I have never had the oppourtunity to add another one of these to my collection, but at least I know in my heart "They are out there", and the next time I see one I will scoop it up.
Does anyone have one of these tabs in their own collections?
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