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Hi All: As part of my SS number research, I finally came across a log for most of the first 1500 recipients of the "Blood Order" (Ehrenzeichen vom 8./9. November 1923). I know a few of you have this and they were published an out-of-print book that is very pricey. This list has some gaps which I can fill with some subsequent documents. For the benefit of those who don't have this information, I will post these for you over the next few weeks. Here are the first 252. Enjoy! Ross Kelbaugh www.ssdaggers.com
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Here is the summary of the content. Ross Kelbaugh www.ssdaggers.com
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Numbers 1-18 Ross Kelbaugh www.ssdaggers.com
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Numbers 19-36 Ross Kelbaugh www.ssdaggers.com
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Numbers 37-54 Ross Kelbaugh www.ssdaggers.com
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Numbers 55-72 Ross Kelbaugh www.ssdaggers.com
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Numbers 73-90 Ross Kelbaugh www.ssdaggers.com
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Numbers 91-108 Ross Kelbaugh www.ssdaggers.com
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Numbers 127-144 Ross Kelbaugh www.ssdaggers.com
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Numbers 145-162 Ross Kelbaugh www.ssdaggers.com
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Numbers 163-180 Ross Kelbaugh www.ssdaggers.com
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Numbers 181-198 Ross Kelbaugh www.ssdaggers.com
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Numbers 199-216 Ross Kelbaugh www.ssdaggers.com
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Numbers 217-234 Ross Kelbaugh www.ssdaggers.com
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And here are numbers 235-252. More to follow next week. Enjoy! Ross Kelbaugh www.ssdaggers.com
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Great valuable info to post on Nov.9th Ross. Thanks for sharing it.
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Oops...forgot numbers 109-126. That's a lot of uploads to keep straight. Ross Kelbaugh www.ssdaggers.com
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Ross, once again all I can say is thank you!
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I am especially interested in holders 11, 41, 127,238 and 251..
All these holders are marked 'Entzogen' or withdrawn..what are the stories behind these men losing such a coveted award as the Blood Order?
Also of note are the holders who are victims of the Rohm purge (+ 30.6.34) and in the case of number 11, another has taken his number..
I also just noticed that we are all posting on Nov.9th, a most sacred day on the National Sozialist's calender..
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Excellent observations Doug. I also have to confess that I didn't realize today's date when I made the post. It just so happened that I had some time today to prepare these for posting. Ross Kelbaugh www.ssdaggers.com
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Does anyone have any ideas on why there are two award dates for most of the recipients ie. 1934 and 1940?
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That's a good question Erich..were they being re-affirmed?
Some thoughts..considering there are entries on holder's deaths (in combat, purge and through natural occurrences and accidents etc..) perhaps they were updating the list and the notations were made to show that the recipients were still in possession of the award, or were still eligible.
It also looks like this list was updated in the tumultuous 6 months following the July 20th bomb plot, in which everyone, even a Blood Order holder, could be suspect in regards to their loyalty.Remember in this period, there was the second big purge of party members and others who were deemed disloyal to the regime.
If we could find another updated list (if one exists..) we would probably see more holders deceased as the war came to a violent conclusion in the last one year +
It is possible that the dates we see under some are when they were updated (in a previous list..) with the latter update being 19.1.44
It would also be interesting to see if all the holder listed as being 'purged' during operation Hummingbird, are listed in the official tally of men killed.
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My guess would be re-affirmed too. To go along with this theory the paperwork on my BO holder # 626 Franz Fuchs shows a 1937 form where he states that he is eligible for the BO. The forms must have been sent to all the 1st pattern BO holders.
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Poor Wilhelm Schmid(t) BO holder no. #17 had only held the order 4 days before he was shot.It was probably one of the last 'official' items taken care of by the SA on behalf of the NSDAP (in regards to paperwork etc..) before the SA took their annual summer break..
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I looked up Emil Petzendorfer whose BO was revoked on 6.2.39.
He was arrested on 2.6.39 for serious bribery of an official, betrayal of secrets to Jews, and preferential treatment, etc.
Apparently, the charges for the arrest proved true and four months later he was stripped of his BO, and probably his rank etc.
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If you had your BO revoked, would it still exist, or did they destroy it..
If they gave your number to another, would they also give him your order?
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If the BO was revoked it had to be returned as per regulations to the office of the 9th of Nov. The frugal Germans would not destroy it but I'm sure re-issue it.
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Another interesting thing is that Sister Pia is reported to have BO # 25 but it's left blank on the page.
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Interesting Erich..could be that because it was such a spur of the moment thing by Hitler, in deciding to award this woman, that her award did not go through the 9th Nov. committee.
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With the recipient's numbers and some dates being on a list is there any way to tell at about what point or number the Blood Order goes from a 1st pattern to a 2nd pattern?
Also I thought I read the 1st patterns were for involvment in the Putsch and the 2nd pattern was issued for other political reasons. Is there any truth to that theory?
Any opinions are appreciated. Thanks again Ross for all these great listings.
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Dean, the 2nd patterns started at about # 1600 to about 4100. The 1st 1500 were for participation in the Putsch. The 2nd pattern was issued to Germans and Austrians who were imprisoned, wounded or lost their lives in the service of the NSDAP. There were some 2nd pattern BO's awarded to Putsch vets as well due to them applying for the award after1938. I hope this answers some of your questions.
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Thanks Erich,
All the great recent postings regarding Blood Order's, the memorials for Nov-9-1923, and the # list Ross provided got me wondering about where did the 16 who died for the NSDAP fit in with this award?
I thought the 16 martyrs listed on the honor plaque would have been some of the first to have been awarded the Blood Order (posthumously).
Looking through Ross's listings I dont see any recipients that are listed as deceased in 1923.
Am I missing something here? Anyone know something about award dates or numbers on this?
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It seems as though the deceased were not awarded an actual BO but rather a minature version of the award. Not much else is known at this time.
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If the deceased were awarded the actual BO it would have been the 2nd paterrn after 1938 when the regulations were expanded to include being badly wounded or death in service to the Party.
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I have Blutorden # 251 and the small red oil cloth document to go with it. Its to 'Reiber'. As its a first pattern medal with a second pattern document this would maybe point to the fact number 251 was re issued to Reiber. On the document above posted it shows a name crossed out and Reiber written alongside.Importantly then I think we can safely confirm with this medal and document that Blutorden had to be returned and re-issued in such cases.In this case Reiber must have been due a first pattern award and duly recieved it,with a second pattern holders document.Don't think my document says its a second issue but will check that next week when I visit the bank. I have yet to research Reiber so any info would be gratefully recieved.
Unless a mistake was made entering his name on the document above,simply crossed out and written in.This would mean his medal was not collected in following whatever led to him having it revoked.Interesting stuff.Once I get to his document it will shed some more light.
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That's interesting Jon, if you have a copy of Niemann's book on decorations he shows a 2nd pattern in the 2900 range issued to a Putsch vet in about 1940 with a letter from the office of the 9th of Nov. to the recipient stating that they were replacing the red document with the brown one.
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Erich,yes I remember that one,wonder who's collection that resides in? Reibers came direct from the family via a collector friend.Perhaps he also had a brown holders ID? Getting some pics Wednesday hopefully
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Here we can see it is a second issue ID. Does anyone have any futher info on the holder or why he had his BO 'Taken away'. It seems that the NSDAP did not ever take back his ID or Blutorden?
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Jon, I think this is one of the many mysteries we probably never know the answer to. It's very interesting that the 2nd pattern award document is matched to this 1st pattern BO. Ah, another mystery!
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At the top it notes 'Zweitschrift' which means 2nd copy or duplicate--on other documents it signifies that the original was lost or destroyed, and I suspect that's what happened here. Erich
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