#91546
09/13/2007 07:24 PM
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I just have the NICEST postman one can imagine  Just take a look at what the nice man brought to my door today  Kinda like the man  Jesper 1.JPG (85.48 KB, 1203 downloads)
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#91547
09/13/2007 07:24 PM
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09/13/2007 07:25 PM
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09/13/2007 07:25 PM
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09/13/2007 07:26 PM
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09/13/2007 07:27 PM
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09/13/2007 07:27 PM
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09/13/2007 07:30 PM
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09/13/2007 07:31 PM
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09/13/2007 07:31 PM
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#91558
09/13/2007 07:55 PM
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Way to go Jesper ! Great addition to your collection. Congrats ! 
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#91559
09/13/2007 08:17 PM
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So I know why postmans in Poland earn so little money. I hope it will change and this nice guy will bring me one of this daggers.Congratulation beauty.Zet
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#91560
09/13/2007 09:35 PM
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PS: I am somewhat sceptic about the hanger which I believe is added to the dagger later on.
Has anyone here ever seen this hanger with this RZM symbol ???
Jesper
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#91561
09/13/2007 09:38 PM
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The hanger is an SS sword hanger.
Jim
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#91562
09/13/2007 09:52 PM
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Postal Service---going above and beyond. What a nice man. Just like Santa Claus. I wish my postal man brought me a nice letter opener as well
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#91563
09/13/2007 09:57 PM
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#91564
09/13/2007 10:11 PM
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You lucky, lucky man. A very nice dagger!
War is when your government tells you who the enemy is.
Revolution is when you figure it out for yourself.
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#91565
09/13/2007 11:40 PM
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The hanger looks OK and it is for the dagger not a sword.
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#91567
09/14/2007 12:41 AM
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I think you better look again Jim-with glasses on  .SS Sword hangers have snaps-this one has a box fitting. Wittmann's/Shea's are nothing like this one here at all.
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#91568
09/14/2007 01:24 AM
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Houston: I will accede to your broader knowledge. However; I don't remember seeing a teardrop dagger hanger before and I've seen a lot of chained SSs in the 8 short years I've been collecting. I looked at the one on my SS sword and if you changed the upper fitting it could be used either way. My cameras out of commission at the moment but I'll post pictures when I can. However; I would think this arrangement would make the dagger even more unstable then it normally is with the gimpy fittings. Just my opinion. Jim
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#91569
09/14/2007 03:09 AM
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This type dagger hanger is VERY well known and shown in many references. I don't know about some of you guys sometimes. Where are your books?
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#91570
09/14/2007 03:35 AM
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I will accede to your broader knowledge.
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#91571
09/14/2007 03:40 AM
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Houston:
I have a bookcase full of them including Johnsons complete set and Wittmann SS tome. The only difference I can see with the posted teardrop hanger attached to the above chained SS dagger and the one attached to my SS sword is the upper fitting which I could change in about one minute. This is the only picture I can get to at the moment because my camera is on the fritz.
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#91572
09/14/2007 04:54 AM
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Houston is absolutely spot-on. Though, like much of the leather, both connector straps and hangers, they didn't seem to be as attractive to the Vets as the daggers themselves and were often just left behind. I've seen this particular type of hanger strap on both SS daggers and the SA Honor dagger. Then as shown in Jesper's photo, it is the dagger that clips to the hanger, whereas in Jim's photo, it is the hanger that clips to the sword. By the way Jesper, beautiful dagger! ~ Ian
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#91573
09/14/2007 09:54 AM
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There are a number of slight but clear differences between the SS/Police type sword hanger and the dagger type. The box fitting is sewed in and can not be easily changed from or to a snap. The snap is the same-not easily changed. Now of course it is possible to change one to another but a hand examination should reveal this. The sanp on these usually have a two prong metal device on the back that fits through a hole in the leather on the front side. These prongs are bent over and the back leather part of the hanger is sewed over covering these. So -if the snap is removed-it leaves a hole.
The dagger hanger is also quite a bit shorter, a bit stubby and usually thicker-and almost always has the belt loop attached. If you put these side by side the differences are quite easy to see.
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#91574
09/14/2007 02:44 PM
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I see the differences that are being pointed out. I will take pictures of my hanger when my replacement camera arrives next week.
Whatever the case may be this is a lousy method of attaching a dagger with a chained fitting; where the fitting itself is gimpy to begin with. I guess that's why I'm used to seeing these with a simple D ring and a loop.You wouldn't have this problem with a sword with a single scabbard ring and a teardrop hanger. If you wish to find out for yourself and own one of these strap a dagger on with it and wear it for a day.Anyway JMO.
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#91575
09/15/2007 06:55 PM
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hi all, my understanding is that these hangers are rarer than hen's teeth. straight d rings seem to be the norm, but these tear drops are out there! mine is marked 60/41 rzm.
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#91576
09/15/2007 06:57 PM
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sorry for the bad light, im not too good at this.
cheers,c.
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#91577
09/15/2007 06:58 PM
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09/15/2007 07:04 PM
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#91579
09/15/2007 08:57 PM
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thanks but mine isnt nearly as good as the start of this thread. a beautiful dagger, jesper! id be happy with the post too, if i were you!
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#91580
09/15/2007 09:08 PM
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I might have a guy who will buy the dagger tomorrow. Otherwise I will put it in the GDC Bazaar section by this time tomorrow.
Jesper
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#91581
09/17/2007 06:09 AM
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REALLY GREAT  Because of the doubts regarding the originality of the hanger to the dagger - the questions if the hanger should be together with the dagger - I just GAVE AWAY a NICE hanger for practically NOTHING and lessened the value of my dagger. In other words I split up a nice hanger from it's dagger. Sometimes questions JUST shouldn't be posed !!! Jesper
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09/17/2007 07:52 AM
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#91583
09/17/2007 07:59 AM
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I know !!! It's not - and I underline NOT - a question about money. It's the question about splitting up a couple that have been together for over 70 years. Bugger Jesper
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#91584
09/17/2007 08:23 AM
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Who are you angry with ? Nobody asked you to split the dagger and hanger, I think Houston's comments were fairly clear
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#91585
09/17/2007 08:36 AM
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I'm angry with myself.
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