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hello
I do own a grossdeutschland division tunic to identify. it's for leutnant. has period sewn DEUTSCHE KREUZ in GOLD and 1 PANZER DESTRUCTION badge. does has anybody a clue??????????
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by the way, it has loops for 3 awards on the left pocket.

You will have to post some pics here..you are not giving us much to go by..

here comes

could have belonged to a number of officers of course...

Oblt. Bernard Zierenberg, Pz. Rg. GD
Oblt. Walther Winkler, III./Pz. AR GD
Oblt d. R. Hans Wentzke, 16./ Pz. GR GD
Oblt hans Wendland, 10./ Pz. GR GD
Oblt Willi Weidler, 1./ Pz. GR GD
Lt. Thiel Albrect, 4./ Fus. Regt. GD

Thats only from a cursive scanning of the DKiG winners list....

Nothing written on the tag?

Suerte!

very usefull gustavo.
unfortunately no information on the tag. just the taylor's tag inside.
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all I can say is that belonged to a infantry officer becaiuse its white waffenfarbe.

oops!!
seems that leutnant albrecht is the only one from infantry. also, the others got oberleutnant grade. my tunic does not has signs of extra rank pins. its shoulder boards are untouched.
MUCHAS GRACIAS GUSTAVO. parece que vamos por buen camino.
may anybody let other name from the GD division that match these orders??

got information about albrecht, unfortunately seems that did not win the panzervernichtungsabzeichen, "only" the sturmabzeichen, EK2, EK1, DKiG and nahkampfspange in silber ....

So, any GD infantry officer with rank Lt-Hptm by 1945 could realistically be your man (he could have just added one or two pips on a new tunic later upon promotion)

You should probably include also the NCOs listed as DKiG holders in the early years (41-43?) wo could have been promoted to Lt. by years end.

Others:

Rudolf Senger Oblt 9./ IR GD
Leonhard Graf von Scwerin Lt 3./ Fus. Reg. GD
Fritz Schulz Oblt. IR GD 1
Herber Schwebe Oblt Fus Reg GD
Raimund Prachowsky Oblt 17. IR GD
Bertold Mackert, Hptm II./ Pz GR GD
Siegfried Leyck, Oblt III./ Fus Reg GD

Theres probably 10+ more possibilities it seems

It is common (or was at that time..) to advance the KIA one rank in paygrade..Albrecht was most likely promoted posthumously, he should be easy to research..he was the 4th battallions commander, and should be included in any history of the regiment..

The problem with fusillier regiments is that they are combined arms.., so even though they may have the white piping for infantry, the soldiers could in fact be in the artillery component, flak defence, anti tank, signals..without change of waffenfarbe..

Which means that your search widens a tad, as your man could be in any of the regiments component formations..

as far as I know, the tunic I do own is early in the war taylored, private purchased tunic. the rank seems that never had rank pips added. In my opinion this officer was leutnant in 1940-1941 and got the cloth awards added during his military service.
I think this soldier won the DKiG as leutnant or just previous rank.
does anybody know about a hauptfeldwebel in the GD infantry regiment got this award

i couldnt find any Hauptfeldwebel rank in the DKiG list. By far the majority of the DKiG holders in the GD came from the F�silier Regiment.

gracias por probar, gustavo.
any feldbewel or oberfeldbewel???
the tunic has white waffenfarbe

there are a few of both.

Heres a great video showing the award of the GD cufftitle

http://s82.photobucket.com/albums/j253/tenoriodj/?actio...rossdeutschlandB.flv

gustavo, podrias poner los nombres de los suboficiales??? ... en ultimo mensaje te olvidaste. gracias!!

Great video, Gustavo!

Super!

I dont have time now to read through the whole list, but heres a few

Barwald, Ernst, Ofw. 9./ GR GD 28.8.43
Busch, Ernst, Ofw. 6./ Fus Reg GD, 16.11.43
Czichi, Albert, Ofw. 8./ GR GD 14.2.42
Dost, herbert, Ofw. Fus reg GD 29.10.43
Eilert, Hermann Fw d R. 12./ Fus Reg GD 13.5.43

etc

I have electronic version of all 15945 DKiG for WH personnel. According to it, all Lt's likely to have white piping are -
Eulen Emmo Lt. 1./ F�s.Rgt. "GD" 21/3/43
von Schwerin Graf Leonhard Lt. 3./ F�s.Rgt. �GD� 5/5/43
Thiel Albrecht Lt. 4./ F�s.Rgt. "GD� 21/3/43
Br�chert Franz Lt. II./ GR "GD" 14/2/43
Kolewe Hans-Joachim Lt. d.R. III./ GR "GD� 19/12/43
G�nther Willi Lt. 9./ IR �GD� 6/5/42
Konopka Gerhard Lt. St.Kp./ IR �GD� 1 9/10/42

David!

Unteroffizieren -
Hatting Wilhelm Uffz. 11./ Fhr.Begl.Rgt. �GD� 14/11/44
Winkler Johann Uffz. 11./ Fhr.Begl.Rgt. �GD' 28/11/44
Aulich Hubert Uffz. 3./ F�s.Rgt. "GD" 5/12/43
H�usler Kurt Uffz. 2./ F�s.Rgt. �GD" 2/9/43
Bolle Heinrich Uffz. 9./ GR "GD" 18/6/43
Lottmann Georg Uffz. 3./ GR "GD� 29/10/43
Rieger Karl Uffz. 18.(Pz.Jg.Sf.)/ GR "GD� 17/12/43
Sch�fers Josef Uffz. 4./ IR "GD� 19/1/42
Tuffert Willi Uffz. 3./ IR "GD� 1/4/42
Busch Ernst Ofw. 6./ F�s.Rgt. "GD" 16/11/43
Cebulla Johann Ofw. 13./ F�s.Rgt. "GD" 13/5/43
Dost Herbert Ofw. F�s.Rgt. "GD" 29/10/43
Hamader Wilhelm Ofw. 4./ F�s.Rgt. �GD� 25/8/43
Pilk Heinz Ofw. 14./ F�s.Rgt. "GD" 20/9/43
B�rwald Erich Ofw. 9./ GR "GD" 28/8/43
Block Wilhelm Ofw. 8./ GR "GD" 11/2/43
Gerbig Wilhelm Ofw. 18./ GR �GD� 24/4/43
Kalinowski Josef Ofw. 4./ GR "GD� 30/4/43
Lischak Alfred Ofw. 14./ GR "GD� 10/1/43
Semper Karl Ofw. 17.I.G.Kp./ GR "GD� 17/4/43
Vies Johann Ofw. 6./ GR �GD� 5/4/43
Bielig Martin Ofw. 15./ IR "GD" 28/2/42
Czichi Albert Ofw. 8./ IR "GD" 14/2/42
Hollstein Hubert Ofw. 6./ IR �GD� 16/8/42
Neubert Walter Ofw. 13./ IR �GD� 16/2/42
Schwappacher Karl Ofw. 15./ IR �GD" 19/1/42
Stadler Max Ofw. 2./ IR �GD" 19/1/42
Wegener Wilhelm Ofw. 16./ IR �GD� 1/4/42
Eilert Hermann Fw. d.R. 12./ F�s.Rgt. "GD" 13/5/43
Ihle Kurt Fw. 4./ GR "GD� 9/6/43
Swoboda Friedrich Fw. 3./ GR �GD� 5/3/44
Weber Xaver Fw. 13./ GR �GD� 14/4/43
Wunnecke Heinz Fw. 12./ GR �GD" 8/12/42


Plus of course, there are other possibilities amongst those personnel assigned to Pz, Pi, or Art. GD units, as not all wore the dominant piping.

Hope this helps.
David!

Not trying to rain on your parade, there is another obvious possibility. Soldiers often got transferred to GD because they distinguished themselves, and thus the DKiG could have been won in another unit, before the transfer.

David!

THANKS a lot dave!!!!!!!!!!!!

GREAT information provided. you're right, could be tranferred from other unit ...

another possiblity is get the name of a GD soldier that got both DKiG and Panzer destruction badge ... maybe anybody here can provide information about panzer destruction badge in the GD.