#68148
06/11/2007 10:43 AM
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What about this one then,before I go get all my money back.Grip.
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#68149
06/11/2007 10:44 AM
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#68150
06/11/2007 10:47 AM
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#68151
06/11/2007 12:28 PM
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The Blk/silver soutache would be for Army Panzer Pioneer. Its not normal soutache braid, but can we see the inside?
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#68152
06/11/2007 11:22 PM
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#68153
06/12/2007 07:02 PM
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I like this one, combat engineers assigned to Panzer Unit 
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#68154
06/12/2007 10:21 PM
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Thats a relief,come on boys is it ok!I was told by a collector in the UK that this soutache was used in 1940 for a short time then the unit disbanded,I have not yet been able to trace it can anyone shed any light on this.Grip.
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#68155
06/13/2007 04:27 AM
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I would check with Panzerpionere on WAF he has an outstanding Pz Pion. collection.
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#68156
06/17/2007 10:10 PM
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Sorry I don't have a scanner but in 'Tank and AFV crew uniforms since 1916' by Martin Windrow (1979) on page 65 there is a picture of such a Panzer Pionier. 'Described but rarely photographed' it says. Although the guy in the picture has a helmet on he has this particular piping around the collar of his panzer wrapper. Picture was made in Russia in 1941.
Otto Carl
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#68157
06/18/2007 05:36 PM
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Great observation Otto Carl,thanks very much.Any more please.Grip.
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#68158
06/24/2007 04:10 PM
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if you've received no more negatives, I can tell you I like what I see on this cap and have seen two other originals (one a vet purchase) with very similar characteristics and yes the Panzer Pioneers did exist and wore this configuration of uniforms-very rare piece!! 
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#68159
06/24/2007 05:55 PM
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drbill,Thanks for the thumbs up,I am reborn!Any idea on a value then if it is so rare,it is in such good condition as well.Very unusual soutache,not the normal typ at all.Cheers,Grip.
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#68160
06/25/2007 05:21 PM
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probably the collar piping used as soutache material, I'd say value-wise 1.5k without a problem 
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#68161
06/26/2007 01:27 AM
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Were the Panzer Pioneers something special,or did they not last long as a unit.Grip.
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