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Hi

I'v been told that all HJ Huberius are fakes. Is this true???
I'v only seen a couple of them and they were the rzm type. Would be thankful for you help. Is it real or fake. And if it is a fake please point out the give aways for me.

Many Thanks

JAL

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I believe that is the accepted concensus that HJ's with that maker's mark are post-war. Charlie

Charlie is correct that this is a post war knife.

I understand that this company made scout knives before, and after the period, but they did not make HJ knives as we know them. I'm not aware of any RZM number for the company. After the war, I believe they were taken over by EuF Horster. Hubertus is now part of Kuno Ritter GmbH & Co KG, and the Hubertus mark is still in use today.

Fishers reference 2003 Edition has this to say about Hubertus:

"No NS daggers or knives were made or sold by Kuno Ritter under the Brand name Hubertus. Hitler Youth knives have been modified by an unknown third party after production, by replacing the fleur-de-lys diamond shaped insert with the Hitler Youth swastika insignia. These falsified knives have been fooling dealers and collectors alike since before 1984"

The scabbard shown is also post-war, having a lip at the top, and is likely made from alloy. Original scabbards had no lip and were made from steel. The motto also looks a little thick in places.

Regards
Russell

thanks for all your info. didn't think it was a real one. but it would have been irritating to have passed it if it was the real deal.

thanks again

Horster never owned any part of Hubertus. You will see old scout knives by Hubertus with a sheet metal scabbard (no throat) watch out for them...

I took the info regarding Horster from the book Reproduction? Recognition! by Frederick Stephens.
"Most of the modern copies are marked on the blade with 'Solingen' but not normally a recognised manufacturer's name - other than the Hubertus mark, known to be a post-war susidiary of the Hoerster company".

Regards
Russell

The info. is incorrect But I can ask Henning (KUNO)Ritter owner of hurbertus when I see him next week

sold as postwar but oldstyle scabbard

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Thanks Damast. In the attached thread, another member makes mention of the Horster connection with Hubertus post-war, as a result of research carried out on the Hubertus company. It would be good to get an understanding from the current owner on the history of the trademark.

http://daggers.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/427101702/...030096614#6030096614

Regards
Russell

Let you know....

Talked to Henning Ritter this morning. He said no, Hubertus never had anything to do with Horster. He also said he read the same wrong info in a book.

My simple question on fake or not developed in to something quite different. But non the less interesting. A little reflection... if Hubertus made scout knifs before the war and continued to make scout knifes after the war. Why didn't the make HJ knifes during the war??? I meen the only difference in production is to put a motto on the blade and another diamond in the handle. Does anyone know???

Thanks Damast for checking with Henning Ritter.

Good question from JAL.
Looking again at my Fishers reference, under Ritter, Kuno - it says 1950 was when the first use of the brandname Hubertus occurred. But it is said in the thread linked above, that the name goes back to the 1800's?, and that they made scout knives prior to the period. Damast, would it be possible to ask Henning Ritter to give us a timeline history of the Hubertus trademark, as there seems to be conflicting information?

If Fishers info is correct, then all Hubertus HJ's would be confirmed as fakes, as is generally accepted.

Regards
Russell

I will ask the question and get the whole scoop... I do know Mr. Ritter knows his stuff as he collects the history of his industry..