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Posted for Max.....
I acquired this unique item "Garrotte" 40 yrs. ago from a WWII Veteran. It could be British Marines SOE, 1st,2nd Marine Raiders Battalions, Carlson's Raiders, Japanese , German. Can anybody ID this Commando Garrotte? Thank you. Max
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Dam! That sure would have bite!! ,do terrible damage to the neck as its choking the life out of you... Don't think its German. Maybe from the Pacific theater of war [?]
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I agree w G about the damage that would do - it's no traditional piece- coils are odd... Most are thin taut and sturdy for obvious reasons- can't see why u would want any give or slack on the line of a garrote- u would have to be very strong to pull past the stretch. I don't think Japanese tho - although it seems to be a first guess- theirs were single cord or wire and basic. Interlocking coils seems odd too- not sure why u would want all those possible places where line could weaken. Yeah maybe an oss or other torture device- maybe not meant to kill? Just my guesses interesting piece thanks for sharing it
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First, the (coils/chain)do not stretch and won't weaken. It will snap a twig or neck in a NY second. I could easily imagine it being gestapo or even from a Concentration camp. Max
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First, the (coils/chain)do not stretch and won't weaken. It will snap a twig or neck in a NY second. I could easily imagine it being gestapo or even from a Concentration camp. Max Could be! All i see is that pic so as I said just an educated guess by me max based on what I know and the looks of it. I like studying tools of the trade and prison items. Maybe there's a pic of it out there somewhere? Only trying to be helpful... Did it come from a KZ camp?
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Mike, I appreciate your opinion very much on this item. I've never seen anything like this in 45 yrs of collecting, just recovered it from storage and thought I'd bring it to light for the Furum audience. Thank you again. Max
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Max that thing is SUPER cool! We appreciate it a lot that u posted it! I wish I found these things myself!
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OMG, here are some at least ...interesting... phantasies. For me it is a (simpler) variant of the "Knebelkette" also called "Zwiesel", used mainly by police to move someone forward, eg. to the court or a lawer. The tool is looped around the deliquent�s wrist and by slight turning the handle(s) it closes tight around the wrist. Against any -interesting- thoughts this tool was not intended for torture but for securing a (supposed) criminal and violent offender to prevent flight or an actual act of violence against the court or the lawer. Here a refined variant is shown. Regards,
1.JPG (96.52 KB, 60 downloads) 2.JPG (74.11 KB, 60 downloads)
wotan, gd.c-b#105
"Never look for sqare eggs" as a late owner of an original FHH-dagger used to say.
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Looks exactly like mine! But I think aluminum grips, steel chain..aka a "come-along"
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Hello Byzanti, mine is from chrome plated cast steel and it is a steel chain too. And this tool shown indeed has had been in use. Regards,
wotan, gd.c-b#105
"Never look for sqare eggs" as a late owner of an original FHH-dagger used to say.
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If you think they're used on a persons wrist, ordinary hand cuffs would suffice. They are called garrottes. Max
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This thread here has a pic of mine.... and some other fun items... Tools of the trade
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