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I know they say almost all chicken wire helmets are fakes,this I was told was a vet purchase that he picked up in the last days of the war.The wire looks like it had a silver coating on it but most has wore away ,wire is pretty stiff but somewhat bendable.Need some opinions.
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No chicken wire helmet collectors out there I guess,are there any posts with info on these?
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I did search this site and found some info on chicken wire helmets, seems not all agree on if good or bad, might be a good area of collecting to stay away from.
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I will put in my two cents worth. The Germans had regulations in how to attach wire to a helmet. This one does not meet the criterion. The wire should go all the way down to the rim of the helmet. With all that said I'm not sure if its real or not.
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I don't believe there were regulations for putting non-regulation camouflage materials on your helmet, and I have seen good chickenwire put on in dozens of inventive ways. This method of attachment is common and is much more comfortable to use. However, when wire has been on a helmet for more than 60 years, there are unmistakeable characteristics of wear and shaping that are totally absent from this example. I personally don't think that wire has been on there more than a year or two at most, and I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.
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Thanks for the opinions they are greatly appreciated,any more would be also.Here are a couple more pics.
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All the pictures show the same thing --there is absolutely no wear to the paint underneath the wire, and the wire barely conforms to the shell, a sure sign it's recent. There are other indicators, like the postwar line circled in red here, which goes underneath the wire. This helmet is bad as hell.
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quote: Originally posted by Chris M:
I don't believe there were regulations for putting non-regulation camouflage materials on your helmet, and I have seen good chickenwire put on in dozens of inventive ways. This method of attachment is common and is much more comfortable to use. However, when wire has been on a helmet for more than 60 years, there are unmistakeable characteristics of wear and shaping that are totally absent from this example. I personally don't think that wire has been on there more than a year or two at most, and I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.
I agree. I don't know of any regs concerning attachment of chickenwire to a helmet. It was all a matter of whatever you needed to put on your helmet to make you blend in with your surroundings to save your life.
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Thats a nice nd helmet worthy of a fake SS decal ,as for the wire personally I wouldnt pay extra for it ,its just to easy to put wire on a helmet .Rob.
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I would agree with Chris M.
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Thanks for the opinions guys,I was told the person that bought this from the vet cleaned the hell out of it trying to make it look nice and it does have a faint smell of some type of cleaner.I believe it is real german zink coated wire but dont know when it was put on the helmet.Anyway the helmet is in really nice shape and hasnt seen much use.Need to throw it in a damp barn for 60 years and get the aged look back I guess.It is not any more money than a non wire helmet wire was free.
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The story is not credible. The wire causes damage to the paint over the decades which does not get magically repaired with cleaner. Remember the first rule of collecting:
"Buy the piece, not the story."
Whoever sold you that helmet, I would not deal with again.
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I agree Chris buy the item not the story, the wire I dont think is original to the helmet either.I didnt buy the helmet anyway, but does the rest of the helmet look all original I might buy it and take the wire off.
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I agree with your comments, both about application technique and the interaction of the wire with the helmet surface. IMO; Thumbs down. quote: Originally posted by Chris M:
I don't believe there were regulations for putting non-regulation camouflage materials on your helmet, and I have seen good chickenwire put on in dozens of inventive ways. This method of attachment is common and is much more comfortable to use. However, when wire has been on a helmet for more than 60 years, there are unmistakeable characteristics of wear and shaping that are totally absent from this example. I personally don't think that wire has been on there more than a year or two at most, and I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.
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