OPINION ON HJ LEADER - 04/18/2007 11:16 PM
Good or bad. Opinions will be appreciated.
Non magnetic feetings
RZ M 7/66
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Non magnetic feetings
RZ M 7/66
Re: OPINION ON HJ LEADER - 04/18/2007 11:17 PM
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Re: OPINION ON HJ LEADER - 04/18/2007 11:18 PM
4TH HEADLES SCREW
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Re: OPINION ON HJ LEADER - 04/18/2007 11:21 PM
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Re: OPINION ON HJ LEADER - 04/18/2007 11:52 PM
From what I see in the pics it appears to be a 60's repro. Shoddy construction and finish.
Re: OPINION ON HJ LEADER - 04/19/2007 12:09 AM
This is not a typical 60's repro. Almost all of them are Horster RZM marked with different characteristics. It looks a bit beat up and damaged with replaced leather but a hands on inspection would be necessary OR better photos.
Re: OPINION ON HJ LEADER - 04/19/2007 12:13 AM
Thanks guys, I'll post better pictures tomorrow with day light.
Re: OPINION ON HJ LEADER - 04/19/2007 09:30 AM
Include one showing position of motto on blade
if you can
if you can
Re: OPINION ON HJ LEADER - 04/19/2007 04:43 PM
Here are additional picture. Thanks guys. I appreciate the help.
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Re: OPINION ON HJ LEADER - 04/19/2007 04:44 PM
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Re: OPINION ON HJ LEADER - 04/19/2007 06:33 PM
I think this dagger is a combination of original and fake parts.The dagger may be completely original but the scabbard looks fake i.e top fitting, leather,the eagles hammer looks to large.Is the top screw of the top scabbard fitting parallel with the hanger ring mount? The screw should be close to the scabbard throat.
Re: OPINION ON HJ LEADER - 04/19/2007 07:16 PM
IMO this is an original EICKHORN HYleader dagger in bad condition with releathered scabbard.
Configuration (pommel, fixing of pommel, scabbard configuration, eagle on scabbard, etching of mark and inscription) TOTALLY conforms to by me known originals. and I have seen several of EICKHORNS (and even more from H�RSTERs which are quite different). I bet the scabbard is the built-in-throat, all-aluminium one.
But as said for me it is in a not good enough condition. Silvering partially and remarkable gone, some corrosion crudely removed, somebody has played with the pommel and has lost it�s original fixing and the releathering - this piece would not be for my collection.
Configuration (pommel, fixing of pommel, scabbard configuration, eagle on scabbard, etching of mark and inscription) TOTALLY conforms to by me known originals. and I have seen several of EICKHORNS (and even more from H�RSTERs which are quite different). I bet the scabbard is the built-in-throat, all-aluminium one.
But as said for me it is in a not good enough condition. Silvering partially and remarkable gone, some corrosion crudely removed, somebody has played with the pommel and has lost it�s original fixing and the releathering - this piece would not be for my collection.
Re: OPINION ON HJ LEADER - 04/19/2007 07:53 PM
Someone has played with it so much I really thought it was a repro. Too bad.
Re: OPINION ON HJ LEADER - 04/20/2007 07:06 PM
Here are some more pictures of the scabbard in daylight. Thanks, I appreciate the help.
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Re: OPINION ON HJ LEADER - 04/20/2007 07:07 PM
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Re: OPINION ON HJ LEADER - 04/20/2007 10:41 PM
Wow , that leather on that scab looks just like my mother in laws!!!!!! 
Re: OPINION ON HJ LEADER - 04/21/2007 06:29 AM
Re: OPINION ON HJ LEADER - 04/21/2007 04:21 PM
A sign of things to come. History repeats! 
Re: OPINION ON HJ LEADER - 04/25/2007 03:04 AM
I am late to chime in, but I agree with Wotan here.
Eickhorn, but way too worked over.
Eickhorn, but way too worked over.
Re: OPINION ON HJ LEADER - 04/25/2007 07:45 AM
Here is a (bad) scan of mine but I think you can recognize the differenc in plating condition and especially leather graining.
Regards,
Regards,
Re: OPINION ON HJ LEADER - 04/25/2007 07:10 PM
Nothing special with this leather, I think.
I've seen couple times this type of leather on original items. Once it was HJL by m7/66 and other-RLB. Sorry don't remember which one it was.
I've seen couple times this type of leather on original items. Once it was HJL by m7/66 and other-RLB. Sorry don't remember which one it was.
Re: OPINION ON HJ LEADER - 04/26/2007 08:47 AM
@sokol, sorry when you do not detect the main differences perhaps due to the (mentioned) bad scan.
Regards,
Regards,