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Posted By: Johnny V. mystery 2nd luft - 12/29/2005 07:44 PM
Hello all,
I was given this 2nd luft by my father in law who purchased it from a european dealer. I checked all of the fittings and they look to be all WKC (the blade is unmarked). The handle has a wooden center w/ springy wire and looks 100% good to me. The blade and port. also look good (clamp mark, etc.) My problem is with the fittings (pommel, crossguard, and scabbard). When I first recieved the dagger I was concerned by the lack of fine detail on these fittings and feared that they were post-war cast copies. There was also a brushed look to the fittings and no apparent age. I thought perhaps it was new cast parst painted silver. But upon closer inspection I am beginning to believe, sadly, that these parts were put to a wire wheel for a good "cleaning". There is evidence that there once was extensive corrosion (especially to the crossguard swaz.) that was wire wheeled away (along with the crisp details and diving these parts a "brished" appearance. Furthermore, the scabbard is not a WKC stule, but rather a generic, does this mean that it was from another dagger or did WKC use generics as well? The scabbard lookes VERY good in most places w/ original gray rubbed off as is common on the edges, however the "ball" of the scabbard is VERY shinny, as are the rings on the scabbard bands and a few other areas, it looks as if somone again "touched up" age spots with a wire wheel. Finally I would say that the blade is personalized that name is "DEMUTI", there may be another letter but it is hard to make out. It was NOT professionally done, it looks as if some corrosive liquid was painted on the blade leaving a splotchy very light etch. Anyone seen anything like this? I am adding several pics. to show places of note. I am very interested in all opinions. Thanks in advance.
Yours,
John Van Etten
Posted By: Johnny V. Re: mystery 2nd luft - 12/29/2005 07:46 PM
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Posted By: Johnny V. Re: mystery 2nd luft - 12/29/2005 07:49 PM
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Posted By: Johnny V. Re: mystery 2nd luft - 12/29/2005 07:50 PM
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Posted By: Johnny V. Re: mystery 2nd luft - 12/29/2005 07:55 PM
Pommel, lack of sharpness?

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Posted By: Johnny V. Re: mystery 2nd luft - 12/29/2005 07:58 PM
Crossguard swaz. note the uneven swaz.

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Posted By: Johnny V. Re: mystery 2nd luft - 12/29/2005 07:58 PM
personalization

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Posted By: Johnny V. Re: mystery 2nd luft - 12/29/2005 07:59 PM
again

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Posted By: Johnny V. Re: mystery 2nd luft - 12/29/2005 08:00 PM
The clearest "wire wheel" marks, it that is what they are.

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Posted By: Johnny V. Re: mystery 2nd luft - 12/29/2005 08:01 PM
Top of crossguard

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Posted By: Johnny V. Re: mystery 2nd luft - 12/29/2005 08:02 PM
Shinny scabbard tip

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Posted By: Johnny V. Re: mystery 2nd luft - 12/29/2005 08:03 PM
Hanging rings (which are polished on the front and back but not on the inside or outside edges

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Posted By: Johnny V. Re: mystery 2nd luft - 12/29/2005 08:04 PM
Scabbard opening

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Posted By: Johnny V. Re: mystery 2nd luft - 12/29/2005 08:05 PM
Pommel, note the rough look, cast post war, or brused the hell out of???

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Posted By: Johnny V. Re: mystery 2nd luft - 12/29/2005 08:06 PM
Scabbard screw and upper band

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Posted By: Johnny V. Re: mystery 2nd luft - 12/29/2005 08:07 PM
Crossguard lack of sharpness. What do you think????

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Posted By: tobau Re: mystery 2nd luft - 12/29/2005 08:21 PM
I think the dagger and scabbard fittings are cleaned , but i have no concerns about the genuine, it's good in my opinion .
Posted By: Johnny V. Re: mystery 2nd luft - 12/30/2005 03:35 AM
I fit is good, any suggestions as to how I may clean it up. Would a little semi chrome smooth out the brush marks??
Posted By: Adam Kirchen Re: mystery 2nd luft - 12/30/2005 03:42 AM
Don't think Semi-Chrome will do anything to remove them marks. There is things you can do but you would have to be real careful or you might get more damage then it has already. Like using a buffing wheel, which may make it to shiny and fake looking, aluminum shines really easy so you got to be careful as the alloy is so soft.
Posted By: Johnny V. Re: mystery 2nd luft - 01/02/2006 04:44 PM
Just wanted to see it I could get those scratches out. But I think any more work on it would only do more harm than good. Thanks for the input. Any other suggestions?
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