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Posted By: bourmakin SS Dagger , good or bad - 02/03/2010 08:21 PM
I bought this dagger from auction. I was not able to find the same exact maker mark. Is it good or bad.

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Posted By: bourmakin Re: SS Dagger , good or bad - 02/03/2010 08:22 PM
Additional picture

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Posted By: bourmakin Re: SS Dagger , good or bad - 02/03/2010 08:25 PM
One more

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Posted By: bourmakin Re: SS Dagger , good or bad - 02/03/2010 08:26 PM
+

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Posted By: bourmakin Re: SS Dagger , good or bad - 02/03/2010 08:30 PM
Scabbard

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Posted By: rieny Re: SS Dagger , good or bad - 02/03/2010 10:22 PM
In my opinion the blade is a fake, maker mark has differences to original ones.
Posted By: bourmakin Re: SS Dagger , good or bad - 02/04/2010 06:12 AM
Additional pictures
Blade width is 32.5 mm

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Posted By: bourmakin Re: SS Dagger , good or bad - 02/04/2010 06:13 AM
Blade length is 219 mm

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Posted By: bourmakin Re: SS Dagger , good or bad - 02/04/2010 06:14 AM
Between crossguard and motto -27 mm

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Posted By: bourmakin Re: SS Dagger , good or bad - 02/04/2010 06:17 AM
Between crossguard and maker mark - 6 mm

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Posted By: bourmakin Re: SS Dagger , good or bad - 02/04/2010 06:22 AM
I was trying to compare 1198/39 to this dagger maker mark

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Posted By: Luko Re: SS Dagger , good or bad - 02/04/2010 01:20 PM
save your money...

Luko.
Posted By: daggerguy Re: SS Dagger , good or bad - 02/05/2010 04:56 AM
I have purchased and sold many daggers online and I have seen this same dagger before. It also had the same brass eagle that this one has. The dagger in my opinion is an authentic WW2 German dagger but the blade looks like it has alot of pitting and the handle looks polished. So if its going to cost you more than $1,200 I would pass even though you don't see many with the brass eagle.
Posted By: militarymania Re: SS Dagger , good or bad - 02/05/2010 07:04 AM
I believe that the eagle is of copper,not brass
Posted By: spock Re: SS Dagger , good or bad - 02/05/2010 01:48 PM
As MM says Copper Eagle and I do not like the blade.
Posted By: bourmakin Re: SS Dagger , good or bad - 02/06/2010 04:49 PM
Additional pictures

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Posted By: bourmakin Re: SS Dagger , good or bad - 02/06/2010 04:50 PM
Additional picture

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Posted By: bourmakin Re: SS Dagger , good or bad - 02/06/2010 04:52 PM
+

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Posted By: bourmakin Re: SS Dagger , good or bad - 02/06/2010 04:53 PM
+ Blade

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Posted By: bourmakin Re: SS Dagger , good or bad - 02/06/2010 04:54 PM
Maker mark

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Posted By: bourmakin Re: SS Dagger , good or bad - 02/06/2010 04:56 PM
Motto 1

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Posted By: bourmakin Re: SS Dagger , good or bad - 02/06/2010 04:57 PM
Motto 2

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Posted By: bourmakin Re: SS Dagger , good or bad - 02/06/2010 04:59 PM
Motto 3

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Posted By: bourmakin Re: SS Dagger , good or bad - 02/06/2010 05:01 PM
Copper eagle

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Posted By: bourmakin Re: SS Dagger , good or bad - 02/06/2010 05:03 PM
SS roundel

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Posted By: bourmakin Re: SS Dagger , good or bad - 02/06/2010 05:04 PM
Maker mark from different angle

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Posted By: bourmakin Re: SS Dagger , good or bad - 02/06/2010 05:06 PM
The handle

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Posted By: bourmakin Re: SS Dagger , good or bad - 02/06/2010 05:08 PM
The handle from other side

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Posted By: Dave Re: SS Dagger , good or bad - 02/07/2010 12:06 AM
I would not buy this dagger myself Frown

1. The blade is too narrow. I have measured - with a digital caliper - many blades. From what I have seen they must be a minimum of 33mm wide with 33.5 - 34.2 being the norm.

2. It has an SA crossguard

3. The bottom hole of the grip has been very badly reworked. That is NOT the way it left the factory.

Those I am sure about looking at the pictures. What needs more examination are the eagle, rune button and blade etching.

Dave
Posted By: anonymous 123 Re: SS Dagger , good or bad - 02/07/2010 01:10 AM
The real mystery to me here is motivation. Why would someone go thru the trouble of making up a fake in this condition?
Jim
Posted By: my2cents Re: SS Dagger , good or bad - 02/07/2010 02:27 AM
This is a real SS German dagger in my opinion that has been restored more than ounce. People should learn to store there family treasures better. I would not pay more than $1000 in this condition
Posted By: RandytheRiffer Re: SS Dagger , good or bad - 02/07/2010 02:39 AM
this dagger looks authentic,a little rough but id be interested.is it for sale?please email me back.
Posted By: bourmakin Re: SS Dagger , good or bad - 02/09/2010 06:54 PM
I found 1198/40 maker mark for comparision. It looks completely different. Any opinions?

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Posted By: bourmakin Re: SS Dagger , good or bad - 02/09/2010 07:35 PM
One more

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Posted By: daggerguy Re: SS Dagger , good or bad - 02/09/2010 10:27 PM
Looks exactly the same?
Posted By: bourmakin Re: SS Dagger , good or bad - 02/09/2010 10:33 PM
Unfortunately for me it does not look the same.
The size, the font are different.
quote:
Originally posted by daggerguy:
Looks exactly the same?


quote:
Originally posted by daggerguy:
The dagger in my opinion is an authentic WW2 German dagger but the blade looks like it has alot of pitting and the handle looks polished.


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Posted By: Skynyrd Re: SS Dagger , good or bad - 02/17/2010 01:13 AM
quote:
Originally posted by jim m:
The real mystery to me here is motivation. Why would someone go thru the trouble of making up a fake in this condition?
Jim


This guys only motivation apparently is ripping daggers apart to make them ebay friendly
http://shop.ebay.com/burmakin/...&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340

[For future reference, his auction page shows 5 blades, 3 scabbards including the SS that was with the dagger in this thread, and 3 sets of fittings].
Posted By: daggerguy Re: SS Dagger , good or bad - 02/17/2010 03:30 AM
The black scabbard and crossgaurds are the same he has listed here asking good or bad but sells the parts on ebay as real? ebay item #290402044186
Posted By: bourmakin Re: SS Dagger , good or bad - 02/17/2010 04:28 PM
1. I did not put the crossguards from this dagger on Ebay.
2. If you have any doubts about the scabbard, please post it here.
3. If I'm not mistaken you were the one who wrote here that this dagger is "100% authentic".

quote:
Originally posted by daggerguy:
The black scabbard and crossgaurds are the same he has listed here asking good or bad but sells the parts on ebay as real? ebay item #290402044186
Posted By: bourmakin Re: SS Dagger , good or bad - 02/17/2010 04:35 PM
Should I ask for someones permission to sell a dagger parts on Ebay? Am I selling any suspicious (fake) items? It's not my fault that Ebay does not allow to sell these daggers other than by parts.
If have any doubts about the SS scabbard ,please post it here and I'll remove it from Ebay.
Thanks
quote:
Originally posted by Skynyrd:
quote:
Originally posted by jim m:
The real mystery to me here is motivation. Why would someone go thru the trouble of making up a fake in this condition?
Jim


This guys only motivation apparently is ripping daggers apart to make them ebay friendly

[For future reference, his auction page shows 5 blades, 3 scabbards including the SS that was with the dagger in this thread, and 3 sets of fittings].
Posted By: Skynyrd Re: SS Dagger , good or bad - 02/17/2010 06:01 PM
Since you asked, I'll tell ya *******************

Edited for insults
Posted By: Dave Re: SS Dagger , good or bad - 02/17/2010 06:27 PM
Posting pointed insults like that is against the code of conduct and you need retract that.

Dave
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