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I've just purchased these two Faithfull Service Crosses, with cases - a 25 year and a 40 year. Both crosses are in great condition with frosting and enamel intact.
Any comments welcome - thanks for looking.
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Russell
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02/27/2006 09:04 AM
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Thanks for looking - are there many differences between medals by different makers?
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Russell
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02/27/2006 05:04 PM
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They look very nice from what I can see. Now you need the 50Yr.
In answer to you question, I don't really know. In theory, if they were made by different makers then there should be slight differences between their crosses. I don't know if anyone has carried out research on these yet.
Cheers
Don
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02/27/2006 07:41 PM
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Hello, Russell! I have the twin to your 25 yr. cross, same maker! I think these are neat and the quality is excellent, not to mention they're relatively cheap! I only paid $60 for mine, of course that was about 5 yrs ago. Regards, teufel
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02/27/2006 10:00 PM
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02/28/2006 06:07 AM
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Thanks for the comments and the links.
I agree teufel, these are relatively in-expensive and great looking medals. To get them in original cases is also a plus. I've always liked the look of these but had never bought any before - now I need to find the 50 year to make the set.
Does anyone know how many, and who the various makers are for these awards? It would be good to see pics of other makers of these awards posted here as well.
Regards
Russell
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02/28/2006 11:00 PM
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I can be of little assistance, my cased 25 is not marked. My cased 40 is also by Deschler & Sohn Munchen. My 50 is sans case.
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03/01/2006 03:45 AM
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Very nice cross'. The more I'm on this forum the more I want to get back into medals. Thanks for showing!
Fritziii
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03/01/2006 04:33 PM
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Here are my examples. Alas, all unmarked....
Cheers
Don
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Galadriel, LotR.
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03/01/2006 06:26 PM
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I have rarely seen a 50 year Don how common are they? I myself do really like these medals very elegant design IMHO. I have owned many 25 and 40 years but only have one left and it is unmarked.
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03/01/2006 06:46 PM
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They don't turn up every day, especially cased, I must admit. There's usually one or two floating about at any one time.
Cheers
Don
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03/01/2006 07:01 PM
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Don, three outstanding examples! Very Nice! Question: Did the 25 yr. cross ever come in the fancy hard, hinged case or was it relegated to the cardboard "box"? Regards, teufel
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03/01/2006 10:41 PM
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Teufel,
Thanks. It only came in the cardboard version as far as I know. There is a design variant though, you can find them with a slightly different style circle around the 25.
Cheers
Don
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03/02/2006 07:58 AM
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Very nice set of cased medals Don. Can you show the top of the case for the 50 year?
Also, do you know which maker has the design variant for the 25 year - do you have any pics of that one also?
Regards
Russell
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03/02/2006 09:25 AM
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Let's see some more Faithfull Service Crosses - probably nearly any member here would have at least one - cased or not!
Regards
Russell
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03/03/2006 07:26 PM
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Russell,
Reading my post again, I probably wasn't very clear. When I say that there was a design variant I mean with the box for the 25yr. There is an extra line in the cogwheel surrounding the number.
Here's the top of my 50yr box as requested.
Cheers
Don
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03/05/2006 04:40 AM
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Thanks for the pic Don.
Lakesidetrader has a couple of 25 year medals with the variant on the case that you mention. One is a Souval and the other is not maker marked. They are both slightly different to each other as well.
Regards
Russell
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03/06/2006 07:57 PM
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Here are the loose one that I have.Only the 50 year is marked 1(Dechler).
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03/06/2006 07:59 PM
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Loose device for a ribbon bar.
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03/06/2006 08:03 PM
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03/06/2006 08:08 PM
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Makers labels,2 on right.
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03/06/2006 08:11 PM
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03/06/2006 08:21 PM
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The 40 year in the middle and the 50 year cases are marked Deschler and only the 50 year cross is marked 1.
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03/06/2006 08:31 PM
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Raymond, Very nice collection! re: the 25 yr. cased ones, 2 of the swaz's seem to be the same thickness, one seems to be a little thicker and the one on the far right is the thickest! Variations between manufacturers? Regards, teufel
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03/06/2006 08:47 PM
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Thanks Teufel.I would say the difference in thickness is due to the different makers.
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03/06/2006 08:52 PM
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I also have a few documents.These two are 25 & 40 year from Oberpostschaffner Bernhard Wollschläger in Berlin.I have a few other documents from him too.
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and these three (L-R) 25 year for Hauptlehrerin Therese Huetter in Fürth i.B, 25 year for Postagenten Jakob Luhr in Iversheim, 40 year for Justizoberwachtmeister Alfred Fuhrmann in Dresden.Still need a 50 year document.
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03/06/2006 09:24 PM
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Raymond, Outstanding! I'm impressed! Seems like you specialize in this area! teufel
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Specialize...no.That's my bigest problem.I like all organizations and their regalia.
I measured the thickness of the arms of the swastikas at the 12 o'clock posisition,just below the top arm:
Keller- 3.12mm (black portion only 2.15mm)
Karneth-2.96mm (black portion only 2.30mm)
Wächtler3.19mm (black portion only 1.96mm)
Deumer- 3.15mm (black portion only 2.38mm)
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03/07/2006 12:06 AM
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I forgot to say how great everyones crosses looked.These are very under appreciated.Check the rings on your 50 year crosses for a maker mark.At first I thought mine were unmarked but found both are marked #1.I have a feeling that Deschler was the only ,or principal maker.
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Very nice collection Raymond! Nice to see some variations in the crosses by different makers. It's good to show these together in one place so we can all see the differences - hopefully we'll see some more crosses from other members too.
Regards
Russell
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03/07/2006 10:57 PM
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Excellent informative thread. Great effort all! Raymond, what is attached to the inside upper lid on the unmarked 40 yr. case? None of my medals are marked in any way. Nice to see a marked example.  Don't forget the 16mm. miniatures. --dj--Joe
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03/09/2006 04:14 PM
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Joe,in the 40 year case,it's a stickpin. Probably put there by the original owner.
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04/03/2006 05:33 PM
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Here are two of my cased Crosses, a 25 year and 40 year.
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04/03/2006 05:35 PM
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Here is my loner(w/o case) 25 year F.S. Cross, I found in my friends basement of all places.
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11/12/2006 02:32 AM
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I've just picked up this cased 50 to complete my set.
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The case has no maker mark.
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Condition of the reverse is better than the obverse.
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There is no maker number on the ring.
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Last one. I've done quite a bit of searching and comparing of these on the forums to make sure I have a correct one - hopefully, I've got it right!
Thanks for looking.
Regards
Russell
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11/12/2006 01:48 PM
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Russel,great looking cross.It has a nice patina to the front.
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11/13/2006 09:01 AM
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Thanks very much Raymond. I want to try and find some of the award documents to go with these crosses as well - have you had any luck finding the document for the 50?
I hope we will get some more posters on this thread showing their 25, 40 and 50 year crosses and cases. It would be great to see some more variations and makers.
Regards
Russell
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11/14/2006 12:55 AM
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No luck yet.I'm sure I'll find one some day while I'm looking for something else to add to my collection.
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11/26/2006 10:57 AM
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Don and Raymonds cased 50's look in great condition. My one and many of the others I have seen generally have finishes that don't seem to stand up to the test of time. The gilting seems to hold up but the silver gains patina, often only on one side. Could this be put down to later production and poorer material to work with - it seems the 25's and 40's are often found in good condition, particularly when cased as well. Any thoughts on this?
Regards
Russell
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11/26/2006 07:40 PM
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It's possible that the crosses tone differently because of the material they are made of(early vs. late production),enviornment they are stored in or a combination of both. To me they all look to be made from the same material but I haven't studied them that close.
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Picked up a few more of the 25's since the last post. First is a C.F. Zimmermann, Pforzheim.
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Next has no maker in the case.
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Here's the first of two Friedrich Keller, Metallschmuckfabrik, Oberstein.
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Last one - Keller reverse.
Still looking for other makers - if you've got some, please show them.
Regards
Russell
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11/06/2007 02:13 AM
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Great crosses guys. My only piece, a cased Deschler & Sohn 40 Year piece. Apologies for the goldish hue.
GDC Gold Badge #290
GDC Silver Badge #310
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11/06/2007 02:25 AM
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I do love service faithful service crosses but usually with a Feuerwehr or Polizei connection
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GDC Silver Badge #310
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Beautiful 40 year Billy - thanks for posting it.
The other medal and case is a stunner - not too well versed on these, so is that the 25 year Police Service Medal - it's a beauty!!
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Russell
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Thought I'd update this thread with a list of makers seen so far. If you've got any FSC's, please add them to the thread.
25 Year (unmarked medals)
C.F. Zimmermann, Pforzheim (case)
Friedrich Keller Metallschmuckfabrik Oberstein (case)
Jos. Rücker & Sohn Metallwarenfabrik Gablonz/Neisse. Sud. (case)
Rud. A. Karneth Gablonz/Neisse (case)
Wächtler & Lange Mittweida i. SA. (case)
Wilhelm Deumer Lüdenscheid i. W. (case)
Unmarked (case)
40 Year (unmarked medals)
Deschler & Sohn München (case)
Unmarked (case)
50 Year
Deschler & Sohn München (case)
Unmarked (case)
Unmarked (medal)
Medal marked '1' (for Deschler & Sohn München) on hanger ring
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Russell
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BTT. If you've got some Civil FSC's, how about adding them to the thread?
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Great looking crosses and a very informative thread. Here's mine. After reading your post's I believe my 25 is a Rudolf Karneth. The label is missing.
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Reverse, sorry for the bad light. Now all I have to do is to find myself a nice 50. 
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Very nice awards! The case on that 40 year is superb. The 50's are a little harder to find but they do come up occasionally.
Hope to see some more of these, so if you've got some, please share them here.
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very fine crosses guys,,,thanks for sharing,,, 
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Bringing this back to see if we can get a few more and continue the list.
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Here's my cased 25 year - Rudolf Souval, Wien
I don't have a photo of the mark, though it's the red and silver foil variety
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Nice one Tyrel - thanks for showing it!
Any more out there? I'll update the list when we get a few more different makers.
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BTT. If you've got some Civil FSC's, how about adding them to the thread?
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Quite the example of award and presentation case together! Cheers Edward
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My little contribution,an unmarked 25 and Deschler 40 and citation for 25 medal
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A nice display. Thank you.
If I translate correctly he was a carpenter/woodworker.
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I feel this deserves to be pinned for awhile. Will rotate the pinned topics randomly.
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This thread was an excellent collaborative effort. Thanks to all. Please continue to add any and all you may wish to share.
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Here is a cased example of the 8 Year Faithful Service medal for the Police.
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 A nice example. On my example the maroon lining of the case keeps shedding. --dj--Joe
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Thanks Joe,
The red flocking is firmly attached on this example. I noticed there is a 1st Class gold cross for 25 Years Police Service already posted so here is an example of the 2nd Class silver cross for 18 Years Police Service. This example is on a parade mount. Notice there is no police eagle on the 3rd Class award above, a silver eagle is on the ribbon of the 2nd Class and a gold eagle is on the ribbon of the 1st Class award.
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I do appreciate the parade mounted pieces. I actually like the 18 yr. the best. But as a medal collector just have to pick up one of each.  Nice ribbon bar. --dj--Joe
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Yep, I like the fact that both blue long service ribbons are on one bar. Not often seen.
Below is a miniature version of the 8 Year Police long service award in the form of a stick pin.
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The stickpin is new to me.
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You are certainly welcome Dave.
I guess I should also show a miniature of the 25 Years of Service cross so here is a minty example of that one.
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Nice pins. I have observed examples in period sales catalogs.
Looked through my pins but no police examples.
Thanks for sharing.
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deducting something,,,, that all the younger guys went to combat as you usually see the Police parade bars, ribbon bars, stic pin combos with WW1 medals, maybe a WestWall or Flower wars [?]..
- both Police Parade mounts shown here are very nice!
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Cameron, Thanks for sharing. Now you need the 50 year faithfull service award. --dj--Joe
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