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Well guys I finally joined your group to try and keep up with the latest information regarding Full Rohm Daggers.
I am the guy who has placed my Full Rohm on ebay three times. The first time it was pulled by ebay and the last two times I pulled it off when the bidding was obviously not where I wanted it to be.
Yes, I reserved it at $15K. I see some of you - especially Grumpy - think it is worth $4K.
For your information, I recently had two offers at $10K and one at $12K.
This is up from last year. So I am holding on to it.
I have no reason to make up dollar figures and you can believe the amounts or not - it is of no importance to me. On the other hand, I would think you would be interested in knowing what people are willing to pay for these rare daggers (or should I say extremely rare as Mr. Wittman indicates)daggers.

Condition is all important when it comes to the value of daggers, even full Rohms. If yours was the one I recall it was pretty well thrashed. I would tend to agree with Grumpy about the value. In my opinion the dagger would need a total restoration to be presentable. You'll find that few collectors are interested in restored daggers without a serious discount. If it were me I'd jump at a $12k offer. Why not post photos of it here for more opinions?

The top part of the handle is broken and the ball on the end of the sheath is a little bent. There is a small dent on one side of the sheath. The decal was placed on the shealth by dad in 47 and is that of The Big Red One. It is easily removed but I am not touching anything on the thing other than cleaning.
The blade has some gray spidering but is in very good condition.
I have been trying to attach photos but I get a message indicating the file is too large to download!
Any suggestions for attaching photos would be greatly appreciated. I would like to place several photos on this site for viewing.
Thanks

I think that there are some hints on photo resizing in the "Computer Help & Idea Exchange Forum."

Looking forward to the pictures.

I have been trying for an hour to post even one photo with no success. I have a company laptop and although I am able to access this site, I think security is preventing / limiting me.
If someone would care to provide an email address I would be happy to send several photos for you to post - and I would be grateful for your assistance.

A friendly reader will be posting photos of my dagger soon. I look forward to reading your comments.

Agree with the comment on the 12k offer. I'd take it and run as fast as I could. That's way more than it's worth (IMHO).

I recall the dagger and do not doubt its authenticity. As previously noted, condition, especially of the blade, is of extreme importance when figuring value. There is only so much that can be done to a blade with condition problems. No doubt, there is someone somewhere who can clean up a blade to a significant degree, but such is "touch and go" and the restoration process may or may not be detectable. If it is, the value is negatively affected. The grip on this dagger is in bad shape. It may or may not be restorable. Locating a genuine, complete, early SS grip is difficult at best. If you find one, it has to be the appropriate grip for any particular dagger and must fit properly. Rarity is certainly important and an SS "Rohm" is somewhat scarce, but one in poor condtion should not and will not bring the price of one in decent condition. The offers quoted are more than fair for this dagger.

I am appreciative of your comments. This is a learning experience for me.
I plan on keeping the dagger for probably three to five years.
Mr. W. indicated he could repair the handle and clean up the piece for a nominal fee - even less if I place it on consignment with him.
Frankly, I am hesitant to do anything with this dagger. I would rather leave it as is so anyone who is knowledgeable will recognize it as an original, untouched, authentic, Full Rohm.
Thanks again for your comments and please keep 'em coming.

Hi Mike,

Since you asked for comments, I hope you don't mind mine.

1. Most collectors want the "original, untouched, authentic" dagger in cases where the dagger is complete, intact, and in good condition. This is not the case with your dagger. It biggest problem is the grip.

2. Restoration can hurt value, but it can also increase it. This is why Tom Wittmann offered a restoration on it if you choose.

3. I know other dealers that have had SS dagger sold with brand new machined grips. They advertised them as such, and the daggers looked outstanding. The grips were machined with the same type of wood as originals and made to match the current crossguards exactly. My opinion only, but these are much more desirable than a dagger with a broken grip. Paul Hogel used to offer this service, but I don't know if it is still available.

4. I also would have jumped on the 12K offer had it been my dagger to sell.

Considering that all dagger pricing has been rising the last couple of years, you can just hang onto it as is your plan. Your father left it to you and it is your property to do with what you wish.

Cheers.

take the $12,000 it will always be a parts dagger
rohms are not that rare that a collector will pay top dollar for a parts dagger

Hi I have not seen the dagger but only offer my opinion. Although you state that you have a sentimental attachment to the dagger you still offerred it for sale at $15,000.00 without takers. I do not know what the dagger realized in auction/bidding. If the condition is as stated than $12,000.00 is an extremely good price for such a piece, either in its present state or as a completely restored example. One would question why you do not accept either of these very generous offers. I have collected German daggers since 1982 and I did not bite on SS Rohms back in the day when they were $7000.00 in very presentable condition. I always thought that they were expensive for what they were, even if they were somewhat rare. I find the word rare over rated in this hobby. If there are more than ten of anything, in my opinion they are no longer rare. Perhaps it is something you should retain as a momento of your father and of his war service. Best of luck in whatever you decide. As a sidenote outrageous prices realized for any Third Reich artifact only benefit the collecting community down the road. I have seen Red Cross EM daggers sell for $800.00 but this does not mean that the price has now been set. cheers, Ryan S

You will find that as the price goes up you have a pyrimide effect in that the number of buyers becomes smaller and the desire for condition becomes greater. IF a collector is willing to spend over $10,000, he will hold out for a dagger in excellent plus and up in condition. Why spend that amount of money for a problem when you can waite and find a nice one for only a few thousand more.
It just a fact of life that those with the funds are desirous of having the best.
So, if I were you and someone offered $12,000. I would have sold it in a New York minute.
You may get your price, but the time and effort spend in finding "the right guy" will be offset by the effort and loss of availability of funds.
JMO,
Ron Weinand
Weinand Militaria
PS: I have seen the dagger on eBay and know the condition.

Ron is "dead on" in his assessment. You certainly, without hesitation, should have accepted that $12,000 bid. You may never see it again. I do wish you luck with it in any event.

Mark

I appreciate the information and insight. I must say I am surprised at how many of you think I should jump at the high offer.
I am surprised because the value of these daggers has gone up significantly in a short time. I see no reason why that will stop. In fact, just the opposite.
This dagger certainly has a sentimental value but dad would be the first to see it as an investment that is increasing in value better than most anything else out there.
I believe I will keep it for a few more years without alteration / repair / etc. so it can be easily recognized as an authentic piece.
Thanks again for your input and I will certainly keep up with the news from this website.

FullRohmDagger: I understand what you are saying and to a certain extent it is correct, but you don't seem to get what I am telling you.
What I am saying is that the offer of 12K is so far out of the relm of real value that you could save this dagger in the condition its in for another ten years and STILL not get this kind of offer again for the value offered.
You know, kind of like a blind hog finds an acorn once in a great while. This is your chance.
JMO,
Ron Weinand
Weinand Militaria

Well Ron - and others who have a similar opinion, if the offer of $12K is so far above what it is worth, then what about the two other offers of $10K each ?
Something just doesn't quite fit with what you are saying and what my recent experience has been.
I will hold onto it. Let's see what these are worth in three or four years!
Again, thanks for your opinion and information.

nice daggers in good condition have drastically gone up in value over the last 5 years but damaged and parts daggers have not .call the buyers bluff and take the $12000 or $10000 . or an exceptable restoration option ,at least to me, would be to buy a nice eickhorn and swop the blades at least all parts would still be genuine and the fit would not be so much of a problem i did this with a himmler and you can not tell that the parts have been swopped

nikcn, there is a BIG difference between a Himmler/Rohm Eickhorn and a regular issue Eickhorn with the oval TM. Himmler/Rohms have more nickel in the fittings, higher quality grips and better overall finish including the blue and lacquer on the scabbard.
IF you just interchange parts with a regular M33 Eickhorn, it can be noticed and is NOT the same as one of the honor daggers.
Maybe Patrick can weigh in here on this topic or Gailen.
JMO,
Ron Weinand
Weinand Militaria

you could use a ground rohm?
i am sitting here looking at a ground rohm boker ,small trade mark, and a standard boker ,large trade mark and i can see no difference in the nickel colour grip quality or fit i dont believe there was a difference in rohn 33`s and early maker mark 33`s
himmlers i guess the finish was better but better nickel fittings i dont know as the grip on mine was half missing and the dagger a bit salty the grip i fitted looks fine at least its an original eickhorn item
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No, it is only on the Eickhorn produced daggers. Since Eickhorn was the only maker of the Himmler and in this thread we were talking about an Eickhorn Rohm, Eickhorn was the only company that used different finishes on their honor daggers. This is also seen by the inspection numbering of the lower guard.
JMO,
Ron Weinand
Weinand Militaria

sorry i misread you post
my himmler is quite rough so the grip i fitted ,from an early eickhorn 33, matches well but looking at the half of a grip that was originally on it the wood is better quility and i guess the finish would have also been better the eagle and rune look the same