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#73970 07/04/2007 10:15 AM
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DOUG & BERND .... You are very welcome (!) I knew that there had to be a better use / purpose for the Super Nickel Silver TeNo Eagle - and residing on Doug's Visor, is what it was meant to be.
Looking forward to seeing the Visor - with the 'Right' TeNo Eagle!! Dave ....dblmed


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#73971 07/04/2007 10:22 AM
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TeNo Trade Badge in Wear:
I am fascinated by the ROBERT NOSS last Photo, with the TeNo Trade Badge in Wear:

I enlarged the Image & made a Comparison to the Known Trad Badges - & the AD 'seems' to most closely match (to my eyes). The Gothic Script has more of a sweep to the 'A' but this could be an individual Maker's difference.

What do you think? Dave ..... dblmed

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#73972 07/04/2007 10:31 AM
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TeNo Officer in ? TeNo or Heer Uniform:

This is a very, very interesting Photo which I recently purchased. (I'm using the Web shots, as I have not received it yet, to scan it.)

The TeNo Officer has a HEER Eagle on the Right Breast! The rest of the uniform 'looks' TeNo, but a close up shows that NO TeNo buttons are present - they are smooth or slightly Pebbled.

What is your Opinion of the Uniform?
Txs, Dave ..... dblmed

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#73973 07/04/2007 10:33 AM
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Close Up Dave ....dblmed

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#73974 07/04/2007 02:21 PM
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Dave,

I bet that is not a sword but a cane that you see. I would think he went to a cane from the crutches as soon as he could after his injury.

George


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Hello Dave,

thanks a lot for the nice words and the explanation of the photos which is of course also very educating for me.
I believe George is right about the cane. You can see the cane also on photo 11.

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#73976 07/04/2007 05:33 PM
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Dave talked about the TeNo trade badge for army soldiers.
Here is one photo with that badge in wear:



A small photo and not the very best sharpness, but still good to see



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#73977 07/04/2007 05:47 PM
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Wow! This is by far the best informative thread that I have seen here in a long time. Refreshing! Thanks to all you guys. I'm facinated. Smile

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ORPO / George & Robert Noss – Thanks for your ‘Eagle Eyes’ in spotting a Cane… Instead of a Sword!!! (I got too Excited!) Yes, it makes Perfect Sense…. The Officer goes from being a Groom … to Crutches …. So, a Follow Up use of a Cane is just Logical.
(It is even More Embarassing for me – because I am a Surgeon, someone who is Supposed to SEE these type of things. I may need to turn in my Scalpel & start to work for one of the SICKO type Medical HMO’s! But, I think that I’ll hold out a little longer as a Pvt. Doc.)

ROBERT …& Others – I believe that the Attached GREEN BeVo type TeNo Patch is the Same One which is so nicely shown on the RIGHT Sleeve of your Army Uniform Photo? (BERND or Raymond showed a similar one on a prior page of this thread).
What do you think about it? Txs, Dave ……. dblmed

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#73979 07/05/2007 03:29 AM
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TeNo Sleeve Trade Badge for the TD Class
Thank You GARY8 !!! ……….From Gary’s kind ‘tip’ - I was able to pick up not One (1), but Two (2) of the elusive TeNo Dienstabzeichen Trade Badges – for the TD Designation, in perfect Condition. (I Have been looking for ‘Any’ one of the 7 Types for over 5 years, with no luck.
Now suddenly I have 2 of the same – so, "IF" one you other TeNo collectors has a Duplicate Trade Badge, or Sleeve Arrow – now is the time for a Trade amongst us ‘Hard Core’ TeNo guys!!! Txs, GARY8 …. Dave ….. dblmed

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#73980 07/05/2007 06:26 AM
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TeNo Officer Bullion ‘OVAL"
This item of TeNo Cloth is not seen too often in Collections. It is a Bullion Oval (Officer Quality). When purchased, I was ‘told’ that it was for wear on the Blue Uniform on the Right Pocket …. But I have Not seen any written, or Photographic Evidence of the Bullion Oval in actual wear.

Does Anyone Know Any more about the TN OVAL? Txs, Dave ….. dblmed

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#73981 07/05/2007 07:15 AM
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BERND ….. WOW…You have received some Superb TeNo Shoulder Board Sets! Great Catch … as these TN Ranks are seldom seen. Having matching TN Collar Tabs - & - Shoulder Boards … is quite an Accomplishment! Even if the ‘Meister’ is post WW2, what a nice continuum of the TeNo. Congrats!!
I see that you ‘May’ have some duplicates – so, it is TeNo Trade time, unless Doug beats me to the Cloth Treasures ! ! ! Dave ….. dblmed


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#73982 07/05/2007 07:28 AM
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TeNo Sleeve Patch – BEFORE the TeNo Eagle Patch Existed: From studying Period Photographs, It is my belief that the below shown 2.5 Inch X 2.5 Inch TeNo Cloth Sleeve Patch, is a relatively Scarce Surviving Patch. (WHY? Because I feel certain that it was replaced by the TeNo Sleeve Eagle, and thus was no longer was needed, & was put away or discarded! So, surviving examples are 'Scarce' & are difficult to locate.)

Photos Posted previously show this Patch (which, at 1st glance ‘looks’ like it was cut out of a TeNo ‘White’ Arm Band) in wear – sewn to the LEFT Shoulder area – in the same spot where the TeNo Eagle Patch will later appear. (See my 1934 Photos Post)

Also Photos show this Small Patch in Use / Wear at the Same Time – as the White TeNo Armband. So, we can conclude that they are contemporary in time – at least from the onset. (The White TeNo Armband definitely did survive longer – and it is ‘fairly’ common).

It is my belief that this small TeNo Sleeve Patch was the Predecessor of the more familiar Left Sleeve TeNo Eagle Patch.

WHEN? Did the Change take Place? I don’t know – Yet. But we can narrow down the time of transition to the TeNo Sleeve Eagle with Photos. This Patch was present, for sure, per Photos in 1934-35. Then we see the TeNo Eagle in 1940 dated Photos. (Also my Period Schneiderei Catalog, Page 3 of this Thread - is dated as of 1940 as well.) So, it appears that the ‘transition’ was at least between 1935 and 1940. (We are down to a 5 year time Span!) I am sure that additional Photos, will even further narrow down the ‘Exact’ date of the Transition to the TeNo Eagle Sleeve Patch. Meanwhile, enjoy this little ‘older’ one. Dave ……… dblmed

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#73983 07/06/2007 03:43 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by bernd:
Here now the after 1943 shoulder boards for a TENO Meister rank .


Bernd

I think these might just be post war Niedersachsen Polizei. See Scan

Andrew



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BEVO - BARMEN

Dave, Barmen is a district in the city of Wuppertal. BeVo-Barmen and BeVo-Wuppertal were very likely identical firms.
In many books about insignia it is said, that the firm BeVo ( Bandfabrik Ewald Vorsteher ) was heavily bombed in the end of the war and didn't exist after 1945. That maybe true, but I have an item that is clearly after 1945 and also has the name BeVo





These are clothes tags with initial letters. The little term "DBWZ" = " Deutsches Bundes Warenzeichen " places them in a time after 1948.

The squirrel on the box is a trade mark and it says " BeVo since 1896 " - so there must have been a period after the war when the firm BeVo was still producing.

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#73985 07/08/2007 03:58 PM
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Robert,

Thanks for showing your postwar Bevo insignia. It is amazing how these old tales continue to exist.


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#73986 07/08/2007 04:03 PM
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Fantastic informative thread! I have enjoyd it thoroughly! Smile

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Question to the TENO guys:
Did TENO issue a gorget? If so, when? Has anyone seen a real one....anywhere?? Thanks!
-wagner-

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I know of only one book dealing with gorgets and it shows 2 different ones. the first is for the standart bearer which came out in 1937 (?).Similar to the SA's (Heart shaped). the second is for technical inspector and is similar to the Feldgendarmerie in shape (Half-moon). I've never seen one, real or other wise. that would be a center piece to a collection.

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TeNo Gorgets ...Wagner, yes, these Gorgets are an 'Ultra' Rarity, even as noted in the text of the Referenced Book. There is not even a Full Photo of the TN Flagbearer's Gorget - just a Drawing of it!

Raymond, you are 100% right ... either TeNo Gorget would indeed be the Center of a TeNo Collection. (Did you refer to this Deeter / Odegard Gorget Book, or another Text.)

Who has a TeNo Gorget to Show to us?
Dave ...dblmed

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#73990 07/09/2007 12:50 AM
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I know of ONE original TeNo Gorget that is in a midwest collection and have heard that one is in France in a collection and one is in the hands of a veteran in the northwest and that's all I have heard of in 50 plus years in this hobby. The rarest gorget that was an issue piece (I do know of some one-of-a-kind prototypes in a collection).
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RON .... You've just about seen it ALL in TR Items & Effect .... So I guess that makes these TeNo Gorgets ...."Rarer than Rare" !!

ROBERT NOSS ...Thanks for the BeVo Barmen informative explanation + dispelling the 'Rumors' that BeVo died pre WW2! Nothing like Facts to help there. Great Item.

HUNTZMAN ...Txs, for the Post War Tabs .... as they initially really look close to TR Items, until you see the Real Deal .... Dave .......dblmed


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#73992 07/09/2007 03:46 AM
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Holy Smoke! Talk about Rare! Eek
I had no idea it was THAT rare.
Thanks Raymond, Dave and Ron!
This must be the Holy Grail of Gorgets,
other than prototypes?

-wagner-

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Dave , yep that's the book. Look at page 164. There's a photo of one in wear, just the upper third is shown and at an angle but still an unmistakeable TeNo gorget in wear.

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Here now a tunic that seems to follow the Teno very close for the new service in Germany with the letters: " T H W "-- I assume : Technische Hilfs Wehr " . The tunic is made of heavy dark gray wool .

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The sleeve Bevo is a full 4-inches wide .

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..and the collar tab is of black wool with a twisted silver thread border . The tab measures 2 1/4 by 1 1/2-inches .

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Cose-up of the upper breast pocket and center closure buttons . The gilt brownish -gray buttons are hmkd to " OLC-OVERHOFF&CE-21M ".

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The tunic has 2 side belt hooks that fasten to interior support straps.

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Underside of the collar . The tunic has a black silk liner , the sleeves have a gray silk liner with black stripes . The tunic has 2 upper interior breast pockets and a knee wound-pack pocket on right hand liner base a the center closure .

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A more intersting upper front tunic view .

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In the inside breast pocket I found this Manufacturer's Paper .

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TENO URKUNDE – for the Ehrenzeichens (HONOR BADGE)

The year dated TeNo Honor Badges themselves are deservedly very sought after Badges for we Collectors. Paper items seem to be even harder to find than cloth or metal items – as so many conditions destroy the paper.

I’ve been very fortunate to acquire the URKUNDE for the Awarding of the TeNo Honor Badge, Number 1638, of 1920 Honor Date – & awarded on October 1st, 1935. (Which
was, I believe, the initial awarding date for this series of Badges. The Badge honored the
long serving active TeNo Cadre Members of ?1919 - 1923 Dates, with uninterrupted tenure.

(This is the 1st TeNo Urkunde which I have
personally seen – although others surely exist.

If someone is Lucky enough to have the 1920 TeNo Honor Badge # 1638 – then we need to do some serious talking J )

Apologize for the Posting size, but the Urkunde is really detailed & is HUGE = 11" x 16". The printed copy of the Medal is Larger than Lifesize at 3" x 2" & actually has the 1920 Date on it!

Txs, Dave / dblmed

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I am pleased to share with you a nice earlier period TeNo Officer Photo which I just received (Always looking for Items from the Technische Nothilfe – and am happy to find them!)

Interesting Details / Comments on the TeNo Photo that I see - are:

a) Triangle TeNo Eagle Patch – Left Lower Shoulder
b) ‘Arrow’ – Reich’s Leadership School – Left Upper Shoulder
c) TeNo ‘Named’ Logo Center Button (Other 2 ‘shine’ out of focus.)
d) Cross Strap – Right Side (Indicative of an earlier Uniform)
e) WW1 Parade Bar – with WW1 EK2 – ? KVK - ? Long Service
f) Collar Tabs – Left – Cog Wheel + 5 Pointed Leaf (Represented a number of Ranks – depending upon the 3 time frames of Rank Changes
g) Collar Tabs – Right – Appear to be the Roman Numeral over Arabic Numeral
h) TeNo Visor w Metal TeNo Eagle / Metal Laurels & ****ade
i) Officer Visor Band – Striped (? Colors ?) - ? Significance
j) ? Unknown part of a Patch on Right Sleeve vs. Photo Smudge.

Based Upon the TeNo Sleeve Eagle Triangle & other factors seen – I would ‘guestimate’ the time frame of the Photo as 1935-39, & I am leaning more toward the earlier date. Those more knowledgeable may see details that I don’t see – or interpret the findings in another manner. FRONT of PHOTO....
Txs, Dave / dblmed

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REVERSE of the Above Photo...

If anyone can extract any Data from the Reverse writing, that would be super. Dave / dblmed

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This thread has been a very interesting and enriching read. I was asked by Dave if I could post my TeNo Brocade belt. I hope you enjoy.

Dan

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buckle front

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reverse of buckle

Please let me know if you would like more photos. Thanks

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DOUBLE WOW!!! .........
.....Dan was kind enough to Post his COMPLETE TeNo Officer's Buckle & the Brocade (!)

This, to most, this is it! The "HOLY GRAIL" of Buckle Collectors & TeNo Collectors. Beyond Rare - let's go ULTRA-Rare. 99% of us will never get to see / hold a TeNo Officer Buckle ..... & the TeNo Brocade is even 'Rarer.'

MOST Dealers .....have Never seen one.....

Dan notes that the Brocade coloration is two very dark blue stripes. The backing is dark blue wool.

Thanks Dan ....this is quite Special. Dave / dblmed


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Great to view. Thanks Colonel!
We see TENO officers daggers but why is this Belt & Buckle so very rare? Was it a limitied production piece?
Thanks,
-wagner-

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