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well, we haven't had a SuperFake in a while.. Make no mistake,,this is a copy,,and a dam good one. A real Suoerfake! And, worst of all, it comes with a cert.of authenticity!! 
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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
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and again we haven't had any in a while,,,So..
2 patterns. These aren't really SuperFakes,,they are not that good!,,but,,with a little work, some embellishments, engraving, and some good ageing etc. these could cause a problem. Beware!!
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have a new SuperFake,,or really a SuperFantasy ring..
This has been selling around on German eBay here and there.
The band is a very old pattern from WW1 and Freikorp era. The round cartouche is from the West Wall bracelets that most collectors say are postwar.
I have one of the bracelets. It's a nice piece, the clasp attachment appears new / modern type and has no age patina to it at all. Actually none of them do,,they all appear new and in mintish condition.
Getting back to the ring,,so what many counterfeiters do to get the most out of their design is to use it on whatever they can.. Bracelets, cufflinks, sticpins, and rings. Don't invest in this piece!!
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another SuperFake..
A popular ring. Authentics with a nice wide band,,finely polished inner. A separately applied hollow skull.
The counterfeit:
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this ring recently appeared on another forum. The owner was quite adamant that it was authentic!
The owner then posted more photos which was the tell for us..
It is a one piece copy,,made to appear to be 2 piece but certainly not.
Also on the last photo there is another problem that we didn't mention on the other forum but right there ,,can anyone spot it out?
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Here's a super awful. Please note there's actually a join seam in the back because someone wanted it sized, presumably to wear?? And I tried to get the markings inside...one says, get this I hope u can read it "rzm" (no kidding) and an "800" beneath it...lol (and if anyone would like the privilege of owning it, please pm me;)
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I think the blobs on the side are supposed to be sniper badges.
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d,nt know if this can be called a super fake, I will let you
decide. its an ss ring.someone has expertly joined it on the
shoulders, for what reason I do not know
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usual encounterd fake ss ring of this style. notice the
runes are different
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pretty good fakes/fantasies... The 2nd one has been around at least since 1970..
Thanks for posting...
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Also very dangerous fake
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Yeah, dangerous, but cast without doubts
�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
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I've got a pic of that original somewhere here except no stones in eyes. Well marked but the skull is crushed as its hollow.
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yes, nicely done! Some of the new guys will be getting burned on this especially with some good artificial ageing! Be careful guys!!!
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I love this thread. Keep up the goof information.
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Sworn by oath to support and defend the "CONSTITUTION" of the United States against all enemies, "FOREIGN" and "DOMESTIC"!
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That's should be "Good" information. 😀
Natural Born American Citizen
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Sworn by oath to support and defend the "CONSTITUTION" of the United States against all enemies, "FOREIGN" and "DOMESTIC"!
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this ring recently appeared on another forum. The owner was quite adamant that it was authentic!
The owner then posted more photos which was the tell for us..
It is a one piece copy,,made to appear to be 2 piece but certainly not.
Also on the last photo there is another problem that we didn't mention on the other forum but right there ,,can anyone spot it out? You mean the casting ball/bubble in the right eye socket?
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Sure, the skull is all wrong... fault lines, pits...but Wow, that one sure looks two-piece from here!
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want to show a real nearly "super" made fake.
Take care of this one: WOW, indeed! HOW can you tell on this one? What are the give-aways?!
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want to show a real nearly "super" made fake.
Take care of this one: WOW, indeed! HOW can you tell on this one? What are the give-aways?! All over very little pitting ans casting balls, not real visible on this not so good pics. For me one of the best fakes of this real often faked pattern
�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
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want to show a real nearly "super" made fake.
Take care of this one: WOW, indeed! HOW can you tell on this one? What are the give-aways?! All over very little pitting ans casting balls, not real visible on this not so good pics. For me one of the best fakes of this real often faked pattern Wow yeah I guess you can really call that one a SUPER DOOPER fake, LOL! :-D
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I wonder what your esteemed opinions are on this example? Out of sheer curiosity... would this be a super-fake repro or a genuine period-piece..? I'd be very interested in Gaspare's opinion, and of course Odal's, and any of the other experts here...
Thanks so much,
Mark
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That's a period pattern mark ein zwei or even drei schwinge on cartouche. Heavily reproduced tho. Got a pic of the back and seam? look in the threads should be a pic of schwinge patterns. Yellow corresponds to flight personnel like pilots and paratroops I believe
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That's a period pattern mark ein zwei or even drei schwinge on cartouche. Heavily reproduced tho. Got a pic of the back and seam? look in the threads should be a pic of schwinge patterns. Yellow corresponds to flight personnel like pilots and paratroops I believe OK thanks: it's not my ring, this pic is from a facebook page. Odal was already saying there that he thought the enamel is slightly on the light side for a period ring... that's why I wanted to ask here, see what you guys have to say, maybe learn something more about these rings and how to recognize their fakes... Thanks Byzanti, Mark
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Agree w odal that the enamel is pretty bright
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this pattern is expertly reproduced for a while now.. Good photos a must,,rear, inner band, hallmark, birds eye. Strange right that we only/usually see the 3 gull rank! 
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Wink wink 3 gull paratroop... Right, why make a boring luft helper ring if u can have a pilot!
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What do different wings stand for, 1 wing, luft helper? And 3 wings pilot? What about 2 wings...?
Sory but I know nothing at all about the LW rings yet... that's why I posted that pic here...
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No, I was just joking- but they're enlisted ranks. One gull is a private 2 is pfc 3 is basically a corporal obergefreiter is the rank... But yellow were flight crew paratroop some ground crew too I think.
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No, I was just joking- but they're enlisted ranks. One gull is a private 2 is pfc 3 is basically a corporal obergefreiter is the rank... But yellow were flight crew paratroop some ground crew too I think. OK very cool, thanks a lot for the info! :-)
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https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffenfarben_der_Luftwaffe_%281935%E2%80%931945%29
�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
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https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffenfarben_der_Luftwaffe_%281935%E2%80%931945%29 OSM, thanks Odal!
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I see we both can't sleep  Yes, this has been out for a while now.. Get it worn a bit,,throw in a old period box and it'll fool most.. Buyer beware!!, thanks for posting!!
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Pretty well made, this, no? :-)
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Org-Freikorps-Ring-Etui-/131879517500?hash=item1eb4a1bd3c:g:E0EAAOSwIgNXilIo
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no result with this link...sorry
�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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