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#323329 - 11/08/16 03:14 PM Rings and items for this forum
Gaspare Offline


Registered: 06/29/02
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I thought we used to have something like this pinned at the top,,??ok,well lets do it now.

PLEASE..

Rings, cufflinks, tie clips, watch fobs, stickpins,,or anything jewelry related is welcome to be posted here. Just remember,,if you post something even to show off someone might have a comment about it. We love to see your favorite pieces so please post when ever you'd like.

IF you are posting to see if your piece is authentic.. You will get a variety of members offering you their opinion. We have members with 40 years of experience and members just starting and you can bet they'll all post if they fell they have something to contribute!

So as far as photos:
You want as large as possible. You want them in focus of course. Well lit,,no glare. This sounds simple but I can tell you jewelery is some of the hardest things to photograph well.

Nice shot of the front,,
one of each side,
a birds eye view [top].
Inner band and any hallarks..

Tell us what you can observe on the ring. Does it feel too heavy, too light? Did it come with a grouping etc..

The more photos and info the better the opinion your going to get..

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#323756 - 11/27/16 03:25 AM Re: Rings and items for this forum [Re: Gaspare]
Sergey 65 Offline


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Hi guys,

I am a collect LW pilot stuff, but also I like interesting ring, especially on the theme of the Luftwaffe.

Here is my selection - Luftwaffe "Crew" bomber.

Thanks,
Sergey


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#323757 - 11/27/16 03:35 AM Re: Rings and items for this forum [Re: Sergey 65]
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#323758 - 11/27/16 03:55 AM Re: Rings and items for this forum [Re: Sergey 65]
Sergey 65 Offline


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As a result of the recent discussion on this forum ROAG 'Badge' ring dropped out from the crew.
His place is now occupied by this ROAG 'Badge' ring.


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#323759 - 11/27/16 04:03 AM Re: Rings and items for this forum [Re: Sergey 65]
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More shot.


The rest of the crew, although badly battered, all alive and healthy smile

Thanks,
Sergey


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#323772 - 11/27/16 12:03 PM Re: Rings and items for this forum [Re: Sergey 65]
Sergey 65 Offline


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Hi all,

this is my '....gegen Engelland' ring.
Who can explain why sometimes wrote ....gegen Engeland and sometimes ....gegen Engelland (with two letters L)?

Thanks,
Sergey


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#323778 - 11/27/16 02:33 PM Re: Rings and items for this forum [Re: Sergey 65]
Mike (aka Byzanti) Offline


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I've always wanted to know that too. Only one must be grammatically correct (odal?)

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#323779 - 11/27/16 02:46 PM Re: Rings and items for this forum [Re: Mike (aka Byzanti)]
Sergey 65 Offline


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Posts: 175
Loc: Moscow, Russian Federation
Since these are the words of a song, perhaps as written under the notes IMHO.

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#323780 - 11/27/16 03:04 PM Re: Rings and items for this forum [Re: Sergey 65]
Mike (aka Byzanti) Offline


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That is interesting-I didn't know that (wait I think I did see this in one of the neue soldaten liederbuch..) so it's written with L on the musical beat/syllable like "no -el" in the Christmas song?

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#323781 - 11/27/16 03:29 PM Re: Rings and items for this forum [Re: Mike (aka Byzanti)]
Sergey 65 Offline


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As I recall, this is a military march.

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#323799 - 11/28/16 01:46 AM Re: Rings and items for this forum [Re: Sergey 65]
Sergey 65 Offline


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I found in songbook.
Notice how it is written under the notes En = gel = land.


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#323800 - 11/28/16 02:12 AM Re: Rings and items for this forum [Re: Sergey 65]
Sergey 65 Offline


Registered: 10/09/14
Posts: 175
Loc: Moscow, Russian Federation
Yes, I think this ring is written in the musical rhythm.


Here is the Luftwaffe songbook.


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#324018 - 12/03/16 12:51 AM Re: Rings and items for this forum [Re: Sergey 65]
Gaspare Offline


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yes there was a famous song and record you could buy,,the spelling was more for the melody, and spelled exactly like that on the record!
I might still have mine,,if I do I'll post but will take a bit..

* Some wonderful rings [and info]!! thanks for posting!!

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#330592 - 07/21/17 04:56 PM Re: Rings and items for this forum [Re: Gaspare]
Gaspare Offline


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Didn't want to start another topic,,but this title is still perfect,,,Rings and items for this forum..:

!st I'd like to apologize for not being here as much as I'd like. This forum and YOU guys still bring much pleasure in my life.. My Father is very very sick,,I'm trying to finish the book by end of August when the publisher wants it,, Still with the problems of getting my house torn down and rebuilt to FEMA specs,,health etc etc. And, this is just a small bit of whats going on in my life..
I KNOW you ALL have similar problems and maybe WORSE!.

- Lets try a few things.. 1st,,remember we are all here because we like to collect and preserve history!. Some maybe here trying to make a profit,,I can't help with that, really nothing wrong with that either. BUT, some maybe are here to try and legitamize a fake ring in order to set a new standard and them sell or have their 'people sell the piece now that its been deemed authentic. Not cool period. And i hope Dave,Vern and the 2 Mods here do everything they can to stop it. A fake is a fake,,and a crook is a crook..

2 I KNOW things can get out of hand very fast here. . A fix is to stick to the piece your asking about. Yes sometimes a comparison is the way to go,,but it should be a comparison of the same piece!.

3, good photos [and I know its hard!] are a must. Big, clear, well lit etc.
Always a straight level shot of the cartouche.
One on the side band,
one of the inner band, hallmarks/content stamps,
I birds eye view..
Sometimes just with those 4 or 5 basic shots we can understand what another member is trying to point out.

The closed topic,,sorry to post about it,,for me it is a SuperFake [Luft ring],, Just my opinion. Get 5 of those rings and compare and you'll see... Anyway, sorry Odal to post about it.. Maybe later you can open it and continue..

Last,, Absolutely the counterfeiters watch this forum and the others.. 100% they do!! But we can't let it disrupt us.. When possible we should try and explain as best as possible whats wrong. MAYBE leave something not so detailed explained. Usually good photos and comparisons will settle things.
You guys are good,,ALL of you. We're all very opinionated. But an authentic ring and a comparison will usually end it.. IF you have to start with variations, and late war this and different that we'll have disagreements,,its making excuses why its not like the original ring.

Its 94 degrees by me here today,,******** HOT!! Probably hot all over,,anyway,, lets not let it spill over in to the forum.. Keep cool, good photos, comparisons, try and get our experience across to others. Still in all guys,,considering we have a very big international membership,,which is something this day and age to be proud of,,,we do dam good here!!
. Have a good one guys,,happy hunting....,Gaspare

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Edited by Gaspare (07/21/17 05:40 PM)

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#330596 - 07/22/17 12:53 AM Re: Rings and items for this forum [Re: Gaspare]
odal Online


Registered: 03/01/06
Posts: 2358
Loc: Heilbronn / Germany
Good and clear words.
Thanks G.!
Because my english isn`t as good i myself am not always able to say in the right way what i think and want to tell.
Sorry for this.

The closed thread.
I closed it because the discussion got personal in no good way and there was no more relation to the topic starting ring.

While the guys had now time to calm down i think we will open the thread again and hope for more opinions and constructive contributions.
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aus ihren Augen blitzen."

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#330602 - 07/22/17 06:08 AM Re: Rings and items for this forum [Re: odal]
Mark4321 Offline


Registered: 12/13/15
Posts: 318
Loc: Iceland
My 3 cents: if I were a moderator here (which you couldn't pay me to do), I'd set 2 simple rules and enforce them strictly and no fuss.

1. Try like the blazes to keep certain individuals from sneaking (back) in, eg that sergey (fill in your own expletive) from the facebook group.

2. Zero Ad Hominem in discussion
Directly or indirectly, one warning with explanation, then out.
100% 'Ad circulum', as it were.

Simple. :-)

Mark

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#330603 - 07/22/17 06:39 AM Re: Rings and items for this forum [Re: Mark4321]
Mike (aka Byzanti) Offline


Registered: 08/09/14
Posts: 2194
Loc: US of A
All good points, especially about the heat- tempers flare in the hot summer days too, so keep cool (in all ways.,.) and carry on! -

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#330634 - 07/23/17 12:08 PM Re: Rings and items for this forum [Re: Gaspare]
Sergey 65 Offline


Registered: 10/09/14
Posts: 175
Loc: Moscow, Russian Federation
Originally Posted By: Gaspare
Didn't want to start another topic,,but this title is still perfect,,,Rings and items for this forum..:

!st I'd like to apologize for not being here as much as I'd like. This forum and YOU guys still bring much pleasure in my life.. My Father is very very sick,,I'm trying to finish the book by end of August when the publisher wants it,, Still with the problems of getting my house torn down and rebuilt to FEMA specs,,health etc etc. And, this is just a small bit of whats going on in my life..
I KNOW you ALL have similar problems and maybe WORSE!.

- Lets try a few things.. 1st,,remember we are all here because we like to collect and preserve history!. Some maybe here trying to make a profit,,I can't help with that, really nothing wrong with that either. BUT, some maybe are here to try and legitamize a fake ring in order to set a new standard and them sell or have their 'people sell the piece now that its been deemed authentic. Not cool period. And i hope Dave,Vern and the 2 Mods here do everything they can to stop it. A fake is a fake,,and a crook is a crook..

2 I KNOW things can get out of hand very fast here. . A fix is to stick to the piece your asking about. Yes sometimes a comparison is the way to go,,but it should be a comparison of the same piece!.

3, good photos [and I know its hard!] are a must. Big, clear, well lit etc.
Always a straight level shot of the cartouche.
One on the side band,
one of the inner band, hallmarks/content stamps,
I birds eye view..
Sometimes just with those 4 or 5 basic shots we can understand what another member is trying to point out.

The closed topic,,sorry to post about it,,for me it is a SuperFake [Luft ring],, Just my opinion. Get 5 of those rings and compare and you'll see... Anyway, sorry Odal to post about it.. Maybe later you can open it and continue..

Last,, Absolutely the counterfeiters watch this forum and the others.. 100% they do!! But we can't let it disrupt us.. When possible we should try and explain as best as possible whats wrong. MAYBE leave something not so detailed explained. Usually good photos and comparisons will settle things.
You guys are good,,ALL of you. We're all very opinionated. But an authentic ring and a comparison will usually end it.. IF you have to start with variations, and late war this and different that we'll have disagreements,,its making excuses why its not like the original ring.

Its 94 degrees by me here today,,******** HOT!! Probably hot all over,,anyway,, lets not let it spill over in to the forum.. Keep cool, good photos, comparisons, try and get our experience across to others. Still in all guys,,considering we have a very big international membership,,which is something this day and age to be proud of,,,we do dam good here!!
. Have a good one guys,,happy hunting....,Gaspare

Hello Gaspare,

I would not rush to consider this ring (LW ring) in your place 'Super fake'. This morning from my friend kindly provided a photo of a similar ring that was dug out of the ground.
We Russians have a good proverb 'Live 100 years and learn 100 years'.

Sorry but despite your experience, I'm sure that you have not seen All the WW2 German rings.

Best regards,
Sergey


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#330650 - 07/24/17 09:55 AM Re: Rings and items for this forum [Re: Sergey 65]
Gaspare Offline


Registered: 06/29/02
Posts: 9374
Loc: N.Y. USA
Serge... you are 100% correct. No I have not seen all 3rd reich rings.. But I've seen enough on these rings in the last almost 40 years to know there was probably one maker , or one master and others made them with working dies to know they all have the same characteristics...

Something else. and this goes for rings, helmets, medals/badges, equipment etc. The USSR broke up 90/91. My wifes cousins were some of the very first diggers . I met them in the mid 90s and still plenty coming up from the ground then. For 15 years I went to Warsaw/Kiev every year, sometimes twice a year.

No matter what or who tells you,,and this is law brother,, - Being ground dug is not a provenance. It does not make it authentic. I've been to plenty of digs,,seen plenty of things that weren't true. Seen many crazy things. Enough that by 2000 I stopped collecting ID tags after collecting them for 10 years..
My wifes cousins introduced me to plenty of diggers who had items they swore on their mothers they dug,,but were in fact fake and fantasies.

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#330655 - 07/24/17 11:16 AM Re: Rings and items for this forum [Re: Gaspare]
Mike (aka Byzanti) Offline


Registered: 08/09/14
Posts: 2194
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Yes, G speaks the truth here but in all honesty- us over here have no idea what kind of tough times those must have been in the 90s - imagine being 60,70 years old there in 1994/95. Your monthly pension dissolves to near nothing with the crash of the ruble on the international market. I grew up orthodox Christian - in my church I met a couple who moved here from there and they told me about what happened to their parents- they ended up moving to their dacha to turn it (one quarter acre only) into a subsistence farm to support themselves and their three kids. They worked hard, every day- and they were in their mid 70s, still farming, when my friends moved here as young adults to try to start a new life. The mafia controlled their town and would take most of what little money they made, bringing their vegetables to market! I'm not going to stand on some moral high ground here... I have three kids- you don't want to know what I would do to provide for them! I think this should be remembered before anyone starts thinking anyone is better than anyone else though. Items, rings, tags- sure.
We can judge them easy. Not the people though, no way. Just my opinion, but I found a good lesson there when I met my friends those years ago.

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#330668 - 07/25/17 02:50 AM Re: Rings and items for this forum [Re: Mike (aka Byzanti)]
Sergey 65 Offline


Registered: 10/09/14
Posts: 175
Loc: Moscow, Russian Federation
You guys already hit the policy. Let's still remember what happened in Russia under Ivan the Terrible:-)
I think that you have some prejudiced attitude towards Russia and to everything that is there. Let's look at the Germany WW2 rings regardless of their country of origin.
And I think that here it is necessary to discuss the rings and only the rings. All the rest of the lyrics:-)
I agree with those who believe that an objective evaluation can only be obtained by holding the ring in his hand.

Best regards,
Sergey

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#330669 - 07/25/17 08:15 AM Re: Rings and items for this forum [Re: Sergey 65]
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Serge,,,yes, now we can agree. With the quality of the fakes now days sometimes a in hand inspection might be the only way..

As far as prejudiced,,Please don't feel that way. I'm married to a Ukrainian woman for over 20 years, and have been there many many times, enough to use up 3 passports!. Also have good friends in Poland and lost count how many times i've been there. We are with you buddy,,there's just going to be times we don't agree,,,and on that we will just agree to disagree sometimes.

Lets all keep on the hunt and get them while we can. There will be a day when there won't be any left except those in collections and its up to us and keep their integrity and preserve them for history.. Off on vacation,,have a good time guys, don't burn the place down! wink


Edited by Gaspare (07/25/17 08:15 AM)

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#333806 - 12/06/17 01:56 PM Re: Rings and items for this forum [Re: Gaspare]
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aus ihren Augen blitzen."

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#333808 - 12/06/17 02:43 PM Re: Rings and items for this forum [Re: odal]
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Fantastic

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