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Guys,,this is open to ALL ring boxes..
Please, no box to plain ,,,or outlandish!


please post if you have a double box,,a domes or just plain square box.. IF I remember right doesn't someone have SA Kepi hat ring box?? and another that is a spiked WW1 helmet ring box,,,Please post!!

Here is my favorite.. Looks German,,big acorn!!

Come on,,post them all!

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Well German looking,,but not! Polish,,a directly postwar WW2 ring and box.. Made for a while but not many made. Something about it,,,its one of my favorites..

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,,, officers version Luft,,boxed

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A little beat up,,well worn wear.. Has a sprung semi circle to hold ring..

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ok cheating a bit here... ANY case or box welcome..
This was for my cufflinks that now have a new home for a CL collector

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these are in the CL topic,,but a cool fake alligator[?] outer look.

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OK, back to rings....

this is a cool skull. Box,,blue and really beat up,, is,,,,

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Whats cool is,, It is Russian. [ring all properly hallmarks Russian].

Beat up box,,but i love it...

So come on guys,,lets see boxes,,anything you got..

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last box - IMO incorrect ring
box was made in USSR
but in USSR never made skull ring )))

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1st,,,E.,,you have some ring boxes,,come on and post one or 2!!


2.. Please correct me if Im wrong..From my understanding the star with hammer & sickle didn't officially start being used in 1958?

So anything before that date was hallmarked with a content [Zolotniks] and later with a woman's head then mans and letters from the district..

Would that be correct?

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Hello,
Gaspare, Evgeniy is right, this is Soviet ring box from 50s.

Ringbox for this ring should be in pre-reform russian language.

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Gaspare,
Hammer and sickle become the official symbol of the Russian Soviet Federated Socialist Republic in 1924.

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About russian hallmarks:
From 1st of Jan, 1899 - female head in kokoshnik looking on the left with initials
From 1908 - female head in kokoshnik looking on the left with greek initials
From 1927 - worker's head with a hammer
From 1st of Jun, 1958 - sickle and hammer inside five-pointed star and cyrillic letter

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What do the ring hallmarks look like? Can they be dated like in some other countries? Certainly the box is from the Soviet era- CCCP doesnt stand for community Christian Church preschool lol

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so we are in agreement that the hammer and sickle with star was not used for jewelry until 1958..

There were skull rings advertised and sold shortly before the revolution,,and maybe in circulation afterwards..

AND, the box translates to say ,,,'Ministry of trade affairs'... And, it was meant for a ring,,,but what kind..

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SO please,,because I'm having trouble exactly identifying these hallmarks.. I know the ring has been in the box at least since 1960 that the family remembers. I got them from neighbors on my wifes old block in Vinnistsa..
So, can anyone ID these marks exactly?

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84 it stamp was used in Russian Impire before 1917 and too user in the jewelry workshops of the Baltic countries, until the age of 40s
as I know if you show skull rings stamp, as I wrote, in USSR never produce skull ring, it ring was made before 1917 (I have skull rings of Russian Impire made before 1917 year)

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Can you get a better pic of the hallmark to the left of the 84?

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IMO there are two letters (the initials of the master)

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Yes, the makers mark I would assume- but it might tell the town it was made in too
I have seen on various silver mark websites that maker town and period Russian silver marks

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Possibly Baltic freikorps?

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"84 it stamp was used in Russian Impire before 1917 and too user in the jewelry workshops of the Baltic countries, until the age of 40s
as I know
if you show skull rings stamp, as I wrote, in USSR never produce skull ring, it ring was made before 1917 (I have skull rings of Russian Impire made before 1917 year)"



Interesting post Evgeniy! So we know the box is for a ring, and marked 'Ministry of trade affairs'.. Early after the Revolution things were a mess. We do know and have seen the famous advertisement for a Skull & Snake ring Russian and just before the revolution. So what happens to these rings? Sold? ,,that wasn't supposed to happen. Given away? I truly don't know. What happened to all the jewelry stock from private jewelers? And what exactly was this 'Ministry of Trade Affairs'? You living in one of the 10 ten greatest cities in the world and this ring & box is Russian / East European[?] can you research it more?

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Mike,,could be,,,but the Batic countries had their own hallmarks..

Then there were guys like General Kornilov,,bandit or hero depending on who's side you were on. He was around 1917,18 etc. He ans some men were rumored to wear skull rings.. Where did they get them? I don't think he had them made up special. Maybe just left over stock..
All we know is this Ministry, a ring box and a pre Soviet made S&S ring!

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Gaspare, why you think, that it ring, cant made in Baltic countries ?
Not in baltics style ?

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Evgeniy,, I am open to that! But Estonian, Latvian and Lithuanian hallmarks don't look like whats on back of the ring.. We do know there were some S&S rings in Russia, before , during and after the revolution.
Looks like I have to do more research on the box.. Thanks all..

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Great stuff. Love shown boxes!


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Here's again my set recently popped up.

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Very nice ring Ric!

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not a ring but a brooch with provenance written on the original box, a gift from a ss officer in Norge

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what that say,,hand made since 1856?!

Thats one of the nicest broochs I've seen. An excellent piece. Congrats and thanks for showing us!!

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Originally Posted by lore vergessen
not a ring but a brooch with provenance written on the original box, a gift from a ss officer in Norge
Anton Frisch

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Ring KIRKENES 1942 also made Frisch

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nice ring also made by Frisch firm. The initials inside the ring (A.F.) are the same in appearance as on the jeweler box! my brooch was made by Anton Frisch's grand-son, Ragnar Frisch in the late 1930's I think, around 1938. Ragnar was an apprentice to the David Andersen workshop in Oslo before joining his family firm. It is marked on the back to match the box.


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wasn't there a member that had a ring box that looked like a WW1 Spiked helmet?,,,and another that looked like SA 'Kepi'? [cap].. IF so maybe you guys could post them... Also, please, any other weird, or unique ring box..Thanks

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I have a WWl ring box in the shape of a spiked helmet but to busy these days to find it. I have been concentrating on SS honor ring boxes for a very long time now and know a very small bit of information/history finally. A lot of dumb luck. Made a promise can not reveal sorry. So why say anything, because I can lol. I know, I know some will be butt hurt. :grin:

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hi members
thank you guys for showing hese ring boxes great nice and period real lore the broach is magnificent great rare to find ss item i will have a few ss womans pins for sale at thjis years max show now the scarce ss himmler honor ring boxes are still being made and sometimes sold as real period made ss honor ring boxes i know of his dirty tricks but after me being in this great hobby for over fifty five years i told him off a few years ago and i told him he is the lowest scum bag in the hobby he hasnt yet met up with the right guy with a back bone try me out brother he will believe me with a few outhers in this hobby and they know i know who they are i dont hurt any one in this hobby but when you try and take my hard earned money from me you will know its a bad day for him ok guys mikee hold your head up you are one of the best guys i know honest and your reputation stands like mine its not for sale ok guys have to take my pills have a great day god bless all andy militarynut

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Mikee,, when ever you get the free time and inclined to do so we'd love to see that box... They do turn up from time to time. I saw one a couple years ago,,price was high,,probably worth it.. For some reason I remember Odal also owning one, not sure though.

Andy.,, You have had every kind of Honor Ring box there is. The are rare,,rarer than the Honor Ring! Small, delicate its amazing any survived.
Yes I remember a couple years back a decent counterfeit HR box started to emerge. They were pretty good looking but when compared to one of yours then easy to see. That is the problem. The originals so seldom come about that you really have to be careful what your going to buy.. Those copy HR boxes were stopped thanks to guys like you who weren't afraid to go up to the dealers who had them and say 'Those are fake' and were prepared to debate them on it.., Thanks..

As far as Private Purchase ring boxes your pretty safe checking them when you get your ring ,if there are no plastics nor other synthetics and follow the styles of the day then your good.

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hi gaspare
members yes i did have several original ss honor ring boxes a few years back and yes i did tell this dishonest dealer why was he trying too sell a great conditioned ss honor ring and charge 3,000 bucks for a reproed box the balls then he was alerted with my words and chalenged my expertise on ring boxes i told him to get that fake 3.00 not 3,000 off his table or else he did he knew what i would have done bad day for him one thing i have done in this great hobby i all ways said my reputation is not for sale honesty is the best policy and it works even now i am getting repeat customers on my ss honor rings some are moveing on with outher intrests etc in military items if any one here ever has any questions or wants my opinion iwould be pleased to help you private e mails to nanny1fl@aol.com god bless all andy militarynut

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Have shown this pic already elswhere in the forum. One of my boxes with rings.
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Wow Wotan that is a nice collection! Looks like a great box too congrats!

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hi wotan
hope this reply e mail finds you doing well i all ways wait for your posts its a pleasure for me to read your true experenced words on these third reich rings and now ss honor ring boxes your picture of three honor rings and a box flicks my bic i would love to see all of them one day thanks god bless andy militarynut

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Andy, your reputation is the absolute best in the business and always more then willing to share fifty plus years of knowledge and wish you many more. Thank you for always standing up for the hobby!

wotan, amazing collection you have. Who wouldn't want the chance to see it all in person. I know I would!

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Mike, Mikee and Militarynut, thank you for your comments. As you wished, I had to dig a little deeper to gather all my boxes (and naturally rings wink ) in one pic.... By far not so much as some prominent ring collectors and book writers are known to have but nevertheless I hope you enjoy them.
There is at least one SD man and one DKiG wearer between them who have been for sure no paper pushers....
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wotan, WOAH! Thanks for sharing this.

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Wotan,,

,, I 2nd that!! WOAH,,, and a W O W !!!

Thanks much for sharing the photo!! A pleasure to look at..

Simply wonderful!!

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Thank you for looking and your kind words.
As we all know, while rings are available, these ring boxes are next to impossible to get...
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hi wotan
that photo really flicks my bic every thing about the rings and two different style boxes yes they are getting impossible to locate them i can not thank you again for showing us guys here those rare rings and boxes last mikee trhank you for your kind truthfull wiords my word is my bond till i pass as general george patton said in the movies i just love this shit he wasa great warrior god bless all andy militarynut

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After seeing Rics question about a ring box I had a thought that if we had a topic on them.. Well we do of course!.


I'll add a few posts / photos.. And please, anyone else with a nice box please post!


This box for an Italian period ring. Square, and thin........

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Usually a decent quality ring had a decent box!


- Most like this:

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I have seen some ring collectors buy a piece because of a box.. This boxed ring the buyer and I both agreed,,,the ring is not for this box..
- Although the box is period the ring is also but a very inexpensive stamped 'messing' ring with black paint... The box was large,, leatherette outer,,satin inner, with metal sprung lid.. - Back then that ring probably cost as mush as the box!

Still in all,,a nice ring and a very nice box:

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and,,,,some very nice rings come in small but good quality boxes!

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years ago I discovered a load of 'New Old Stock' rings... Odal had helped with the deal as it was in Germany and so was he! Really, without Odal I probably couldn't have got the load.

But even with his help we still had one problem,,,,,even with the both of us putting our money together we did not have enough to buy them..
SO, we had to find an investor,,which we did and were able to acquire the load! It ended up with the investor getting most of the rings. We had first choice though [very important] which was how the negotiations went.

Odal and I got about 5 mint stock tagged rings each,,, and we each got 2 cased rings... Here's one of mine...

As far as I know the investor still has about 40 rings and haas no inclination to sell... They just put away for a future rainy day [?]

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and lastly,,,,

- check out the ring holder,,it is a thin piece of sprung metal under the velvet. The ring slides over it and the tension hold the ring in.. this was usually in the earlier boxes..

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Originally Posted by Gaspare
After seeing Rics question about a ring box I had a thought that if we had a topic on them.. Well we do of course!.


I'll add a few posts / photos.. And please, anyone else with a nice box please post!


This box for an Italian period ring. Square, and thin........


Awesome idea to revitalise this topic on ring boxes, here's a beauty purchased few month ago.

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Interesting topic Gaspare. The only box I have that actually came with a ring in it is this one. I love this Kirkenes ring but have no idea if it's the box it originally came in. There is no information on it whatsoever but it's a nice box. Looks old to me.
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Here's another set like mine, same pattern ring in box by the same juweller......recently auctioned in Germany

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Great boxes guys!!

- Its a bit confusing..

Some retail shops sold a bit of everything from household goods to back packs etc etc. So they would order their rings from a manufacturer. when the ring arrived they put it in their box!

Some manufactures just made jewelry and sold wholesale only to retailers.... Then you had the fancy guys like ,,lets say Wilm. They have a showroom,,your in it and buy a ring you might get a Wilm box!

OR,,,Wilm sends an order of 20 rings to a retailer. The retailer receives the order takes the Wilm boxes off and puts the ring in their store brand box!!

- SO really,,you can have any box and any ring in it [except an Honor ring!]. ...

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Here's another set by a private source in Germany

Ric

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Ric,
Your SS and Fallschirmjäger rings are both crackers. Thanks for posting.
Stephen

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Thank you for kind words.......I love your "Kirkenes"

Ric

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G, Ric, Stephen,

Thanks for showing these awesome boxes and rings!

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Ric , Its hard to see on the monitor: but,,thats a small box with a great ring in it! - And the retailer pulled it off! - Its a hi quality box, has a 'mock Turtle pattern on the outer,,pebbled inner, the retailers name and address in Gold tone lettering...Spectacular nice little box!

- The ring appears to be authentic. Has a lot of old built up polish on it... Are you going to leave be? or maybe steam it away at the jewelers?

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Hello G.,

when I got it in hand did brush that white dust away by a soft tooth brush.......and here's the bird after treatment.

Box and ring are in unissued condition....and would bet they were together from the jeweler.

Ric

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Ric,

Very nice job cleaning it up. Can't make out the marks?

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probably- 835 F * Ln -[Laurin mark] .....

- Ric,,, that is just from the brushing? If so very nice!.. Lot of guys get their jeweler to steam it .....

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Originally Posted by Mikee
Ric,

Very nice job cleaning it up. Can't make out the marks?

Hello Mike,

it's a typical production by Frey : 835 F * Ln

Ric

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Originally Posted by Gaspare
probably- 835 F * Ln -[Laurin mark] .....

- Ric,,, that is just from the brushing? If so very nice!.. Lot of guys get their jeweler to steam it .....


G.,

no needed to spend money by jeweler......this time. Just soft brushing with a bit of neutral soap......under water .

Ric

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