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#332429 - 10/12/17 01:38 PM Re: 3rd reich cards/photos [Re: Dean Perdue]
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Sholtz Klink card.


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#332463 - 10/14/17 08:56 AM Re: 3rd reich cards/photos [Re: Dean Perdue]
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Looking at the Arrow insignia on the left upper-arm of most (all?) the SA Leaders this is the SA Fuhrerschule. I cannot identify the guy to Hitler's left but that maybe aPLM award he is wearing.

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#332466 - 10/14/17 12:15 PM Re: 3rd reich cards/photos [Re: Tristan]
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What is that arrow patch on their left shoulder ? I should know, but I have forgotten if I ever knew it.

I have also seen it on SS officer's uniforms.

Thanks

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#332467 - 10/14/17 12:36 PM Re: 3rd reich cards/photos [Re: Tristan]
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Thank you for the starting point Tristan.

I tried getting 2 close ups thinking it may give additional information, but the photos aren't coming out that clear.

Two of the officers have a awrard worn around their neck and the soilder located top center has white collar tabs.

Also some nice looking stained glass in the center..wish I could see the whole thing.

I thought the arrow/ty rune had something to do with recruitment but am not 100% sure.

Any thought if this photo is pre 1/30/1933?

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#332469 - 10/14/17 12:38 PM Re: 3rd reich cards/photos [Re: Dean Perdue]
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#332471 - 10/14/17 03:34 PM Re: 3rd reich cards/photos [Re: Dean Perdue]
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It is, I think, the Munich Reichsfuhrerschule for SA, NSKK and ( up to 1934) SS Leaders.
In the photo I see at least one NSKK Officer, but no SS so perhaps this is post 1934.
I do not have it any more, but I seem to remember the inside cover of Charles Hamilton's book ' Leaders and Personalities of the Third Reich,' Vol. 1 had a photo very similar to yours and perhaps another Forum member could check that.
As to the neck award that is a mystery. I can only think of the PLM, but the image is unclear.

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#332472 - 10/14/17 04:30 PM Re: 3rd reich cards/photos [Re: Tristan]
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Originally Posted By: Tristan
It is, I think, the Munich Reichsfuhrerschule for SA, NSKK and ( up to 1934) SS Leaders.
In the photo I see at least one NSKK Officer, but no SS so perhaps this is post 1934.


Good point... if that was the case wouldn't there be daggers?

I thought about the 2 awards being the pour le merite.
It appears the two highest ranking officers in the photo have the award.

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#332515 - 10/16/17 09:18 PM Re: 3rd reich cards/photos [Re: Dean Perdue]
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Another Sholtz Klink card posted 1 day after the 1937 rally with typical Nurnberg party day eagle ink stamp.


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#332516 - 10/16/17 09:41 PM Re: 3rd reich cards/photos [Re: Dean Perdue]
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Reissued 33/34 card with 1929 Nurnberg rally subject.


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#332523 - Yesterday at 09:32 AM Re: 3rd reich cards/photos [Re: Dean Perdue]
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On the big group photo, I would guess late 20's / early 30's when the SA were organized enough to have uniforms, but not 100% standardized.

- As noted, no daggers

- Some guys are wearing puttees, not boots.

- Rank badges vary in size and color

- Uniforms vary in color and the ties are not all the same

- The Kepis do not seem to vary by rank. No sleeve ranks.

I have an album of over 100 pictures of a Sturm in 1934/5 and by that time they had daggers, and standardized uniforms.

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#332524 - Yesterday at 11:39 AM Re: 3rd reich cards/photos [Re: Dave]
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What a super shot of Karl Wolff's SS Officers sword!

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