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#300580 - 09/13/14 12:09 PM Re: HY Leader opinions. [Re: Vern]
1942collector Offline

Registered: 06/30/12
Posts: 74
Loc: USA
Someone ask about the Spanish HJ Leader copies made way back when. I think this is one of them, acquired this many years ago back. It looks nice but not really comparable to a original so I don't think it will fool anyone except perhaps a beginner.
Just another one to watch for.

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#300581 - 09/13/14 12:12 PM Re: HY Leader opinions. [Re: 1942collector]
1942collector Offline

Registered: 06/30/12
Posts: 74
Loc: USA
Just some more pic's of the Spanish HJ Leader.
Please excuse the pictures,still working with a older dig. camera.

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#305391 - 02/17/15 07:32 PM Re: HY Leader opinions. [Re: 1942collector]
sanglier88 Offline

Registered: 02/16/15
Posts: 5
Loc: France
Can you confirm that this dagger HJ leader is a copy.
I buy € 1350 and I'm afraid I made a stupidity.
Thank you for your help
PS: Sorry if I did not fully complied with the procedure Forum


Description: HJ1


Description: HJ3


Description: HJ4


Description: HJ5


Description: HJ6

#305392 - 02/17/15 07:38 PM Re: HY Leader opinions. [Re: sanglier88]
sanglier88 Offline

Registered: 02/16/15
Posts: 5
Loc: France
Continuation and end
Thank you in advance


Description: HJ2


Description: HJ7


Description: HJ8

#305444 - 02/19/15 04:24 AM Re: HY Leader opinions. [Re: sanglier88]
wotan Offline

Registered: 07/14/00
Posts: 4458
sanglier88, first let me also welcome you to the forum.
Concerning the HJ Leaderīs dagger: Unfortunately you are right. It is one of the old fakes, artificially aged to convince. But there are a lot of features (eg. the pommel, the pommel emblem, the eagle emblem, material, etc etc) which make clear that it is a fake.

PS.: I already did write here an answer yesterday but due to unknown reasions it did disappear..
wotan, gd.c-b#105

"Never look for sqare eggs" as a late owner of an original FHH-dagger used to say.

#305447 - 02/19/15 08:47 AM Re: HY Leader opinions. [Re: wotan]
sanglier88 Offline

Registered: 02/16/15
Posts: 5
Loc: France
Thank you very much for your answer.
Now I'm set.
I bought it in a shop near the Normandy landing beaches.
The vendor looked honest.
Now that I know I will learn your forum to be less naive.
Best Regards

#305567 - 02/25/15 02:34 PM Re: HY Leader opinions. [Re: sanglier88]
Terry Pullen Offline

Registered: 05/03/05
Posts: 435
Loc: Brecon, Powys, UK
Has anyone got a replica HJ leader for sale?
If you want to criticise someone first walk a mile in their shoes. Then, when they come after you, you'll be a mile ahead and they'll be barefoot.

#305611 - 02/27/15 10:43 AM Re: HY Leader opinions. [Re: Terry Pullen]
1942collector Offline

Registered: 06/30/12
Posts: 74
Loc: USA
I have the Spanish copy posted above, think these were mad back in the late 19560s and a fairly good job to.
It is for sale also.

#308422 - 05/29/15 08:30 AM Re: HY Leader opinions. [Re: Terry Pullen]
palante125 Offline

Registered: 04/05/11
Posts: 141
Loc: Espaņa
Mr. Terry I also have a very good copy to sell

#331759 - 09/14/17 11:28 AM Re: HY Leader opinions. [Re: den70]
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Registered: 07/22/17
Posts: 87
Loc: Barcelona - Catalonia
Originally Posted By: den70
Trademark. Pay attention to the substrate and the depth of etching. With almost perfect repetition of pattern stamps, you can see the difference in the technologies of etching.

left a copy, the original right.

In addition to this type of dagger, there are various copies of that I was able to compare in the my hands of the original daggers from the collections of the U.S. and Europe.

It is very obvious the one on the left is laser etching...

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