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I introduced myself... and wrote quite a long introduction... but I can't read it?

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Good afternoon everybody,

First of all, I want to introduce myself. My name is Marc. I'm from Barcelona (Catalonia) and... a passionate for German Daggers.

I want to apologize in advance for my English.

I have been trying to learn from you in this forum... reading your advices and opinions. Reading all along the forum... even bought a book about the materia.

I found this dagger in my search... I'm really interested in buying it but... I got diferent opinions from two collegues... One says everyting looks fine... and the other one says it is a laser replica...

I would really apreciate your opinion.

Thanks in advance !

Kind regards,

Marc.

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I am afraid it is a reproduction.

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Thanks a lot Grumpy for your opinion. Any comments would be very welcome. I'm trying to learn from all of you.

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Hmm, the grip and SS button, group III mark look good to me. I think the motto has been re-blackened with paint. Are you sure this is a laser etch grumpy? It does have some irregularities like an original acid etch, unless they have improved on the laser etchings to make them look more irregular?


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I disagree, Grumpy. The trademark is NOT laser etched - you can see the acid 'nibles'. I Agree with John (above) about the grip/crossguards and motto. They are OK. The scabbard is an early one but looks as if it had been painted.

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dagger looks fine to me not without small issue but period and authentic cheers and welcome Ryan

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The motto looks to have been darkened an extra amount.
Compare the darkness to the mfg. logo lightness.
Handle and crossguards look OK to me.

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Thank you all for your opinions!!!

Thanks Ryan for your welcome smile

I have a small collection of German daggers (two Luftwaffe first model, one second model, one Heer, one Kriegsmarine and one SA) I think it's time to get my first SS one... I've been trying to learn here, and in other specialized webs and books... but I have had just a pair of them in my hands. I mean... study is not enough.

I really appreciate your attention.

Thanks guys!

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It might not be laser etched, I didn't say it is. Look at the "A's" in the trademark and compare them with known authentic examples. I owned one like this a few years ago and I have no doubt the blade is a postwar replica. Suit yourselves, but I wouldn't touch this one.

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Sorry Grumpy, indeed you did not say it was laser etched. my bad. Here's a picture of the Maker mark from an SS I had in the past for comparison.

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I stand corrected. I got my wires crossed on the logo. Recollections through a foggy memory. I should have verified what I thought before posting. There is a fake blade out there which has the crossbars on the A's wrong. I have no idea if it was laser-etched or not. If so, it was an early example of such. Sorry for any inconvenience or heartburn.

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Final judgement? May we consider it's a good one?

Thank you all for your attention!!!

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MarcGB,
Just to add to what has been said, I have a Hammersfahr In hand. Both the TM and III stamp are pretty identical including placement. I also agree the scabbard is a repaint.

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If it has a repainted scabbard and re-blackened motto it would not be one for me, blade also looks like it has been heavily cleaned with all those surface scratches on it.

Best Russ.

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Originally Posted By: Russ1
If it has a repainted scabbard and re-blackened motto it would not be one for me, blade also looks like it has been heavily cleaned with all those surface scratches on it.

Best Russ.


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the grip doesn`t look good to me - too fat, no rib wrong and proportions and blade and motto was already mentioned - I would not touch that one


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The dagger is fine, period authentic with the issues as mentioned cheers and best, Ryan

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Originally Posted By: sellick8302@rogers.com
dagger looks fine to me not without small issue but period and authentic cheers and welcome Ryan


Thanks again Ryan !

With "small" issues you refer to the repainting of both motto and scabbard?

The dagger is still on sale and I'm still doubting. I also thing the scabbard is repainted... but not sure about the motto... if so... a very good work, but as pointed here, it calls my attention the excellent quality of the motto against the scratches all along the blade...

Thanks a lot. I really appreciate.

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Marc

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Marc, don't ever buy anything that you yourself are not 100% on-board with. For example, if you bought this piece, you will always have a little "doubt" in the back of your mind about it. Pay a little more or shop around more for something that is 100% correct....you don't want to answer questions down the road if you happen to sell this item at a later date. My 2cents.

Happy hunting, Patrick

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Wise words Patrick.

That's why I'm trying to know what's really wrong with this piece. One with no issues is about +$1000 above this one... if the only problem with this one is a repainted scabbard I would consider... if there are more issues... would forget it.

Thanks again for your words. You're right and I have to think about it.

Cheers

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Hi Marc my opinion from pics scabbard could be period repaint or post. A darkened motto could be period or post war still with these the dagger would retail for $1850 to $2200 in current market a better market perhaps a high of $2500 cheers and best, Ryan

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Thanks a lot for your opinion Ryan. Really appreciated.

Will forget about this one.

Cheers!

Marc.


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