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Interesting opinion and pic:
https://vk.com/ringsofwar?z=photo-81236059_456240194%2Falbum-81236059_00%2Frev
Last edited by odal; 07/24/2017 05:43 PM.
�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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Odal, I'm sorry, but the truth is in comparison.
My friend Oleg today kindly provided me with a variety of types of these LW rings.
So we think that the second ring on the left is identical to my ring.
All the rings are original, and please pay attention to the variety of production stamps.
Best regards,
Sergey
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All in all a difficult theme.
I can only tell my opinion and what i have seen over the years in collecting such rings.
And as every collector i learn every day.
Otherwise i can`t imagine that there are so much different dies for one pattern, sold be one company. Usually there is one mother die to make the working dies.
A mystery for me if this different rings are all should be made from the same company.
Still a short remark:
I lost my unconditionally trust in diggers still years ago. Real sorry to have to say that.
Let`s here what the other guys here think.
Last edited by odal; 07/24/2017 06:35 PM.
�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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For comparison, Oleg's ring and my ring. In my opinion they are identical.
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Otherwise (we forget backside in moment), while looking close on the real large and good pic on vk.com i would say the plates of the 2 outer rings are the same and look like my 2 rings.
Front of the 2 middle rings more than your ring.
�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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 look what i wrote in moment
�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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hi odel
this is my opinion i have to agree with you probly a mother die was used to make these above rings that look different in pictures also this is my opinion most rings above should be examined in hand because of different pictures that really throw us off with our honest opinions we try very hard not to call some ones ring bad or fake but its getting very tough to valuate the different pictures that are shown to us we never know exactly where who had these photos done up some people have talent in altering these photos lets hope this is not happning here ok carry on just my honest opinion have a nice day andy militarynut
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hi odel
this is my opinion i have to agree with you probly a mother die was used to make these above rings that look different in pictures also this is my opinion most rings above should be examined in hand because of different pictures that really throw us off with our honest opinions we try very hard not to call some ones ring bad or fake but its getting very tough to valuate the different pictures that are shown to us we never know exactly where who had these photos done up some people have talent in altering these photos lets hope this is not happning here ok carry on just my honest opinion have a nice day andy militarynut Wise words! Agree, a handinspection is always best 
�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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I'm sorry my friend:
"For comparison, Oleg's ring and my ring. In my opinion they are identical."
Both those rings are very good cast fakes..AND if you look very closely you will see many differences between the 2.. All thru the 1970s I've seen these rings,,from vets and in auctions. Then all thru the 80s the same thing. Then same in beginning of 90s. late 90s, now,,we see these fakes. By the way silver survives pretty good in the ground,,nesilber doesn't no matter what the soil. I've heard every digger story, "there is no Oxygen because of the clay. the ring was sealed in a foot locker we dug up, [sorry getting off point here],I've heard every story and seen some bad things..
Sorry over 20 years of seeing the same pattern with the same characteristics. They are German made, with same mother die and sold to Luft soldiers.
The USSR break up and we see 'variants from Russia,Ukraine,Poland, the Baltic countries. No, my opinion they are fakes and show characteristics of being fakes. Hey, thats me,my opinion,,your happy then great, we can agree to disagree...
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hi odel
this is my opinion i have to agree with you probly a mother die was used to make these above rings that look different in pictures also this is my opinion most rings above should be examined in hand because of different pictures that really throw us off with our honest opinions we try very hard not to call some ones ring bad or fake but its getting very tough to valuate the different pictures that are shown to us we never know exactly where who had these photos done up some people have talent in altering these photos lets hope this is not happning here ok carry on just my honest opinion have a nice day andy militarynut Wise words! Agree, a handinspection is always best +1
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For this thread here again a ring of this pattern from a german source:
�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
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Really has a lot of silver left too- quite striking imho
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For this thread here again a ring of this pattern from a german source: The models are similar, but the templates are different. This pattern ring is shown in Oleg's extreme right #330657
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