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#330400 - 07/13/17 06:49 AM Re: Nurnburg, Olympic, DJ, BDM [Re: Fred Prinz - FP]
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I found a pic. What do you reckon guys?


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#330401 - 07/13/17 03:41 PM Re: Nurnburg, Olympic, DJ, BDM [Re: Nork]
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This is very interesting, Nork!

The picture shows a non standard HJ-knife -just look at that finger guard!- and it shows a HJ-diamond attached to the scabbard.

Can you tell us more about the picture? Is it from a book or a magazine? Is it a private period photo?

Thanks and best regards,

Herman
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#330413 - 07/14/17 08:08 PM Re: Nurnburg, Olympic, DJ, BDM [Re: Herman V. (aka Herr Mann)]
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Herman V. is the back of the photo marked in any way?
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#330416 - 07/15/17 06:00 AM Re: Nurnburg, Olympic, DJ, BDM [Re: Ronald Weinand]
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A friend sent me this. Says he found it online recently. I'll try and find out where he got it from. Someone said apparently that the rune is weird or too bright? Well the man pictured is a high ranking DJ leader (Gebiet Jungvolk Fuhrer) and those sleeve runes were only in use for a short time. Nothing wrong that rune at all. The knife is definitely interesting though and it looks like it has the correct dimensions to be a DJ knife and with scabbard diamond! What I would say is that this photo is early, not late-war. Some sellers put these knives into mid-war or late-war so the photo turns that theory on its head I think.

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#330417 - 07/15/17 06:59 AM Re: Nurnburg, Olympic, DJ, BDM [Re: Nork]
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Hello, this is a truely interesting photograph. Imho it shows, that most fake developments have itīs origine in a period phenomenon.
Unfortunately the pic is blurry. Otherwise we could see what it is in the grip itself as there is(!) something between the two rivets I cannot spot exactly.
Thank you for showing this pic!
Regards,
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#330418 - 07/15/17 07:19 AM Re: Nurnburg, Olympic, DJ, BDM [Re: wotan]
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Hello, the thing in the middle of the grip is the leather retaining strap with press stud. On the smaller knife it was there as opposed to higher up on the pommel on the normal size of knife.

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#330420 - 07/15/17 09:21 AM Re: Nurnburg, Olympic, DJ, BDM [Re: Nork]
Herman V. (aka Herr Mann) Online


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Loc: Brussels, Belgium
That is correct, Nork!

A lower positioned snap is sometimes also seen on early, unofficial HJ-knifes, like the "eagle-head" hereunder.

I am very curious to get more information about this fascinating photograph!

Best regards,

Herman


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Edited by Herman V. (aka Herr Mann) (07/15/17 09:23 AM)
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#330421 - 07/15/17 10:55 AM Re: Nurnburg, Olympic, DJ, BDM [Re: Nork]
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Originally Posted By: Nork
A friend sent me this. Says he found it online recently. I'll try and find out where he got it from. Someone said apparently that the rune is weird or too bright? Well the man pictured is a high ranking DJ leader (Gebiet Jungvolk Fuhrer) and those sleeve runes were only in use for a short time. Nothing wrong that rune at all. The knife is definitely interesting though and it looks like it has the correct dimensions to be a DJ knife and with scabbard diamond! What I would say is that this photo is early, not late-war. Some sellers put these knives into mid-war or late-war so the photo turns that theory on its head I think.

I know that there is an angle and the first individual pictured is larger, but I'm not so sure that the knife at the top is actually smaller using the belt buckle and the knife pictured below as reference points. That said, what's also interesting is that an approximate date can be assigned to the picture because of the short time the runes were used. Best Regards, Fred


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#330442 - 07/16/17 01:07 PM Re: Nurnburg, Olympic, DJ, BDM [Re: Fred Prinz - FP]
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Registered: 10/22/12
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Okay, seems that the photo isn't real after all. I found the Hitler Youth Militaria Forum source. The guy who sent it to me didn't read the story behind the photo and just assumed it was real. Sorry guys.



Edited by Nork (07/16/17 01:08 PM)

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