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#329976 - 06/26/17 07:52 PM rising sun flag
Duzig Online

Registered: 08/23/00
Posts: 508
Loc: North Carolina
Hello all,
I picked up this item in a local thrift store & figured it is a reproduction piece but knowing absolutely nothing about Japanese items I've put a query into a few forums in hopes of getting some info and comments on whether it is real or repro. On two of the ends there are leather pieces with ties & I believe the flag is made of cotton. The size is roughly 28 by 39 inches. As I said I figured it is a repro particularly since it seems to be in very nice shape but before it gets tossed hopefully someone can tell me definitively whether bogus or real.
Thanks for any help or info you may provide



#329977 - 06/26/17 08:24 PM Re: rising sun flag [Re: Duzig]
Mike (aka Byzanti) Online

Registered: 08/09/14
Posts: 2153
Loc: US of A
Could be an IJN ensign, it has the off-centered sun and should have 16 rays. Black light might help, but it looks pretty new and even if it is pre-45, could have been washed with modern detergents.... I'd say wartime if original, they used this all the way back to 1870... but like everything else, has been reproduced..... I'm new to Japanese flags but so far I see no major red flags (no pun intended) with this piece... best of luck,

#329978 - 06/26/17 08:31 PM Re: rising sun flag [Re: Mike (aka Byzanti)]
Duzig Online

Registered: 08/23/00
Posts: 508
Loc: North Carolina
thanks much for your reply and info. As mentioned it does look pretty new, I'll have to try as you say a black light on it also. Either way real or repro I got it for 3 bucks so no problem. That's another reason why I figured it was fake, and might still be. I thank you much and hope others might put in what info they have

#329998 - 06/27/17 01:13 PM Re: rising sun flag [Re: Duzig]
Michaelr Offline

Registered: 01/19/15
Posts: 1
Loc: NJ
Bill I am no expert but it looks like a repo to me. It is a Navy flag with the offset sun and should be hung with the leather tabs on the right side. MikeR

#330000 - 06/27/17 03:28 PM Re: rising sun flag [Re: Michaelr]
Duzig Online

Registered: 08/23/00
Posts: 508
Loc: North Carolina
thanks for your comment. Probably the best thing I could do is bring it to a show and have a have someone do hands on look at it.

#330048 - 06/28/17 09:53 PM Re: rising sun flag [Re: Duzig]
marksmilitaria in Cleveland Offline

Registered: 01/02/10
Posts: 151
Modern repro... Rope ties are wrong material, the leather tabs are wrong material.I have owned several of this exact same flag, sold them all to a dealer at an earlier TMCA show.. I will go back to my posts over on AHF from several years ago where I posted this exact flag, have to go through over 3500 posts though

#330064 - 06/29/17 11:58 AM Re: rising sun flag [Re: marksmilitaria in Cleveland]
Dow Cross Offline

Registered: 07/29/01
Posts: 2159
Loc: Orcutt CA
Nice repro if the price was right I would have bought it too.

#330066 - 06/29/17 12:36 PM Re: rising sun flag [Re: Dow Cross]
Mike (aka Byzanti) Online

Registered: 08/09/14
Posts: 2153
Loc: US of A
I learn more everyday here on GDC...

#330202 - 07/03/17 06:56 PM Re: rising sun flag [Re: Mike (aka Byzanti)]
Jareth Holub Offline

Registered: 07/28/02
Posts: 717
Loc: Long Island, NY
I wouldn't be so quick to judge. This looks like a patriotic flag not a true military. The corners look like pig skin to me. It stands a chance. I agree black light will help

#330278 - 07/06/17 08:02 AM Re: rising sun flag [Re: Jareth Holub]
Militarynut Online

Registered: 04/25/02
Posts: 772
hi jareth
thank you so much for helping on this yes pig skin tabs japanese flags and again your right on target with it not being military flag just a patriotic flag i allways liked the pig skin tabs on japanese flags and not that silvered paper tabs i have sold them for years as period made i also believe this flag might be old stock waiting for soldiers to buy to bring home after the war thanks again jareth for your expertise opinion your knowledge is just ausum guess the many years of collecting japanese head gear flags etc tells the whole story god bless andy militarynut

#330407 - 07/14/17 10:04 AM Re: rising sun flag [Re: Militarynut]
Duzig Online

Registered: 08/23/00
Posts: 508
Loc: North Carolina
Hello to all,
I didn't realize there were more answers to my query about this flag & I want to thank everyone who has given their help. I have not yet tried using a blacklight on it & when I do I will post the results. As I mentioned I know zero about Japanese items so all your information is appreciated.


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