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#330307 - 07/07/17 06:17 PM what i have here ?
stingray Online


Registered: 11/20/07
Posts: 2539
Loc: north east US
hi guys
Did you guys ever seen something like this.
It's a hunting dagger or probably cut down short sword.
My friend pulled out from burned house.
So first pictures show how it looks before and after I clean up.
The fittings are silver,but the grip is metal with the leaves design.
The detail is unbelievable


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#330308 - 07/07/17 06:20 PM Re: what i have here ? [Re: stingray]
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Loc: north east US
more pic


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#330316 - 07/07/17 10:46 PM Re: what i have here ? [Re: stingray]
Dean Perdue Offline


Registered: 05/20/08
Posts: 1290
Loc: Michigan U S A
WOW.
Good luck finding out more about this impressive item.
Very cool imo

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#330320 - 07/08/17 02:34 AM Re: what i have here ? [Re: Dean Perdue]
Baz69 Offline


Registered: 05/27/01
Posts: 4455
Loc: England
Certainly a nice looking hirschfanger, not sure of its country of origin or the age, certainly well beyond my experience, I suggest you take it to the Metropolitan Museum in NYC, they have an extensive collection of artefacts similar to this.

Gary

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#330324 - 07/08/17 07:06 AM Re: what i have here ? [Re: Baz69]
Militarynut Online


Registered: 04/25/02
Posts: 717
Loc: PA/FLA
hi ivan
wow what an eye catcher hirschfanger you just posted the workmanship is ausum breath taken shame it was in a fire the ornate cross guard my lord such great early workmanship if i was to guess on a few facts here i believe it was made this way not a cut down sword and again if i was to guess it was made early 1800s and again germany or austria made this magnificent one of a kind hirschfanger now like baz 69 say the museum or before you do that trip try huston coates he knows his onions on hunting pieces and possibly identifi this great hirschfanger for you thank you so much for posting this crem de creme item god bless andy militarynut

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#330332 - 07/08/17 10:43 AM Re: what i have here ? [Re: Militarynut]
stingray Online


Registered: 11/20/07
Posts: 2539
Loc: north east US
Thank you guys
Here are some shots of the blade .
Also how the blade is secured .
They used French coin from 1901 as a washer.
Maybe the dagger was restored in 1900s ?

Thanks for your reply


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#330333 - 07/08/17 11:01 AM Re: what i have here ? [Re: stingray]
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Registered: 05/27/01
Posts: 4455
Loc: England
Ivan
Can you get a close up of the makers mark, it looks like a beehive of some sort, possibly the blade was made by Samuel Hoppe & Sohne. They were around up to 1870 -75.

Gary

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#330335 - 07/08/17 11:16 AM Re: what i have here ? [Re: Baz69]
Alex . Online


Registered: 11/30/15
Posts: 188
Loc: NYC
Piece of art!

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#330341 - 07/08/17 05:04 PM Re: what i have here ? [Re: Alex .]
stingray Online


Registered: 11/20/07
Posts: 2539
Loc: north east US
Thanks
Gary,here is close up on the maker and silver hallmark


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#330345 - 07/09/17 02:46 AM Re: what i have here ? [Re: stingray]
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Registered: 05/27/01
Posts: 4455
Loc: England
Hi Ivan

This is a Samuel Hoppe & Sohne mark so the blade was made before 1875, I cannot identify the silver marks but at least we know it is German.

Gary


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#330351 - 07/09/17 03:09 PM Re: what i have here ? [Re: Baz69]
stingray Online


Registered: 11/20/07
Posts: 2539
Loc: north east US
Thank you Gary
Now I will try to find some info on that hallmark.

Thanks again
Regards
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#330352 - 07/09/17 04:07 PM Re: what i have here ? [Re: Baz69]
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Registered: 05/27/01
Posts: 4455
Loc: England
Ivan
This is from John Walters book " The sword and bayonet makers of Imperial Germany 1871-1918".

Gary


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#330356 - 07/09/17 05:50 PM Re: what i have here ? [Re: Baz69]
stingray Online


Registered: 11/20/07
Posts: 2539
Loc: north east US
Thank you Gary, yes that's exactly same maker mark.
Gary,is it possible that the blade could be Damascus?
I'm trying to slowly clean up the blade and looks like it could be.
Will show more pictures soon I will be done

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#330359 - 07/10/17 03:18 AM Re: what i have here ? [Re: stingray]
Baz69 Offline


Registered: 05/27/01
Posts: 4455
Loc: England
Hi Ivan
Anything is possible at this time, I would not use anything abrasive on this blade as it has gone through another heat process and may not be as hard as it once was.

Gary

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#330402 - 07/13/17 05:51 PM Re: what i have here ? [Re: Baz69]
Kevin (heers68) Offline


Registered: 06/26/04
Posts: 1595
Loc: n.c. usa
Amazing piece!! Detail is exquisite and that scabbard fitting is a beauty too.. Congrats!! Kevin.
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