UBB.threads Forums Uniform & Accessories The Honor Ring Forum 1939/1940 stahlhelm ww(?) rings

These are all over the Internet- every conceivable marketplace... you may have seen it-a plain helmet with the years 1939 above and 1940 below. I do not own one, but I think it's a legit ww pattern that was not uncommon to begin with-- but got reproduced so many times- they are widely assumed to be fake or even fantasy pieces... in my mind the fist time I saw one- was the latter; fake/ fantasy.... so which is it? Real, repro, or imagined? (I've attached a few versions widely spread about online)... I await and encourage opinions here- so please post, especially if you have a picture of one of your own to share!

Mike,

What was the reasoning behind the 1939/1940 date? The Stahlhelm era was much earlier if I recall.

Dave

hi dave
i believe the 39/40 date represence possibly the west wall mike i also have seen these same rings floating around for a few years now is there any outher maker marks or silver content marks in side the shank please let us know thanks god bless andy militarynut

The pattern is well known and period, but this shown rings are all fakes.
It is a Westwall pattern in my opinion.

Usually brass, die struck, backside hollow and nickel plated.
And there is a very hard to get variant, 2 Piece, ring brass, very massiv and soldered on helmet.

Interesting.... the helmet is soldered on then? I see the circle/outline around the helmet inodals example... is this what to look for besides the hollow/brass struck with silver wash?

Sorry, maybe a missunderstanding in speach.
The one i showed is a one piece and die struck with hollow backside.
But there are other period ones around with soldered on helmet.

Hi dave - definitely not stahlhelm era, andy is of course correct... I also assumed them to be west wall rings, but have heard veteran, ww1, etc enough to throw it out there for discussion... Andy I don't have any other picture of these rings, but as odal pointed out- they're usually fakes as I don't often see them hollow and die struck, but rather as solid backed rings...odal I would love to see one with a soldered on helmet, anyone else own one to show?

hi mike
odel is the man his knowledge is asum its a pleasure to have his knowledge here helping us out. yes as odel says high percentage of these rings are fakes i havnt seen any in the field if i see any at sos show this week i will let you know i dont think i will be able to bounce around to much at the show as i know we will be busy thats for sure best show on earth cant miss this one god bless every one here andy militarynut

massiv ring with soldered on helmet....Looks more in the direktion of trenchart but i think industrial made

I absolutely love it- good point too, I think that it would seem trench art but a second look I definitely agree industrial made... thank you for all the pictures on these last couple threads my friend! Very helpful indeed!!

I passed on one just like that years ago, I thought for sure it was fake given the price and the crudeness of it.....