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These are all over the Internet- every conceivable marketplace... you may have seen it-a plain helmet with the years 1939 above and 1940 below. I do not own one, but I think it's a legit ww pattern that was not uncommon to begin with-- but got reproduced so many times- they are widely assumed to be fake or even fantasy pieces... in my mind the fist time I saw one- was the latter; fake/ fantasy.... so which is it? Real, repro, or imagined? (I've attached a few versions widely spread about online)... I await and encourage opinions here- so please post, especially if you have a picture of one of your own to share!

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Mike,

What was the reasoning behind the 1939/1940 date? The Stahlhelm era was much earlier if I recall.

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hi dave
i believe the 39/40 date represence possibly the west wall mike i also have seen these same rings floating around for a few years now is there any outher maker marks or silver content marks in side the shank please let us know thanks god bless andy militarynut

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The pattern is well known and period, but this shown rings are all fakes.
It is a Westwall pattern in my opinion.

Usually brass, die struck, backside hollow and nickel plated.
And there is a very hard to get variant, 2 Piece, ring brass, very massiv and soldered on helmet.

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Interesting.... the helmet is soldered on then? I see the circle/outline around the helmet inodals example... is this what to look for besides the hollow/brass struck with silver wash?

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Sorry, maybe a missunderstanding in speach.
The one i showed is a one piece and die struck with hollow backside.
But there are other period ones around with soldered on helmet.

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Hi dave - definitely not stahlhelm era, andy is of course correct... I also assumed them to be west wall rings, but have heard veteran, ww1, etc enough to throw it out there for discussion... Andy I don't have any other picture of these rings, but as odal pointed out- they're usually fakes as I don't often see them hollow and die struck, but rather as solid backed rings...odal I would love to see one with a soldered on helmet, anyone else own one to show?

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hi mike
odel is the man his knowledge is asum its a pleasure to have his knowledge here helping us out. yes as odel says high percentage of these rings are fakes i havnt seen any in the field if i see any at sos show this week i will let you know i dont think i will be able to bounce around to much at the show as i know we will be busy thats for sure best show on earth cant miss this one god bless every one here andy militarynut

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massiv ring with soldered on helmet....Looks more in the direktion of trenchart but i think industrial made

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I absolutely love it- good point too, I think that it would seem trench art but a second look I definitely agree industrial made... thank you for all the pictures on these last couple threads my friend! Very helpful indeed!!

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I passed on one just like that years ago, I thought for sure it was fake given the price and the crudeness of it.....


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