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Any of these made with Alpacca maker Mark inside the ring band ?

Thank you
Ado

Was that the one just on Germany eBay?

Pics are real not best but usually this ring pattern has no enamel.
It has a Kind auf black paint and is marked "GOLDIN".
Both, Alpacca and Goldin are the material not the manufacturer.

Looks like from this photo that this one has enamel and it is little chipped in the corner.
I do have original marked Goldin I have just never seen one marked with Apacca so I was not sure if it was good or not?

Thanks Odal

Hope you understood me right. I am too never have seen one with enamel so i am very sceptical.

Hard to tell, but looks nicely made- I like it, but don't know, if odal says not with enamel, that's concerning...but alpacca material is certainly period... nice seam, idk- I like it ado, rookie opinion but I don't see that it's not a possible variation... I like it. When it gets here from Germany will u take some more pix for us? It's an interesting ring!

Yes on my goldin example it is not enamel
So enamel on this one with such a good ring band construction and attention to detail threw me off on this one.

but then again looking at these two examples side by side
The original ring has more crisp detailed ring band construction

Don't know just hard to tell on this one

Yes I agree- it's a tough one. You could easily make the case that they have different materials and also different levels of wear. So the big question is has anyone seen or have examples of these with enamel?

I'd love one of this pattern one day (if anyone is selling!) by the way just texted Gaspare he says it DID come in enamel!

Gaspare says it did come in enamel! Hmm interesting
Mike can you please send Gaspare the link to this thread and see what he says about this ring I posted here if he is not busy to look it over?

Thank you
Ado

I'll try- he has on old flip phone, so pictures are iffy for him. I'll get back to you.

Thanks Mike I appreciate

Success. (Note to forum: I am not doing this for every question we have...) but I'm glad to find this out....(quoting Gaspare) "Might be a good one!!

More : "Stamps easy to make. Got to be fault free and enamel right!"

By the way the seller is from Austria and he has bunch of different kind of jewelry unrelated to Germany and third Reich this is the only ww1/ww2 german item in his sales

Thanks to Gaspare
At least there is some possibility that it could be a good one

Thank you Mike
Ado

I saw his other listings looks like antique jewelry mostly. Man I need one of these at some point lol. Looks good to me ado, I would have bid on it!

I know you would have that's why I made him an offer of 200 euros for it
If it stayed in the auction it would for sure sell for much more then that! ;-)

Maybe we can do trade down the road as this will be my second same example although with different mark inside the ring

Sounds good but no worries I'm glad you got it- especially when the inevitable fakes pop up- we will have originals to compare them to! It helps the hobby- a good piece for any of us is a win for the forum! And a loss for the fakers...!

Anyone seen this one that recently sold on big militaria auction site for close to $330

I'd rather have the $330.

Here is the better looking fake example that I was able to find online on a Russian site for about $150 (only one for sale) but example of cast seen all over this ring

Ya that's a fake alright. The shanks don't tell the same story as the front. And that thing has more teeth than the grinch.

LoL yes true jaws skull and alpacca is placed on a different side

Thanks Mike on your help and thank Gaspare in my name as well
Ado

Without any doubts are the last 2 rings fakes.

And...i don`t like the first 2 ones too.
Meanwhile a pattern thats is "dug" to hundrets in eastern europe.

I think odal might be on to something.

Nearly all of these rings are from the east. Some in fantastic , nearly mint condition.
But here in Germany where they are should produced it is a very rare pattern and very hard to find.

It's an early piece too I believe sometimes called a "freikorps" ring

These two are from a long time member and the can be found on different militaria forums and are reported as original rings!

And then another that was discussed on this forum in 2006 and still skull not nearly as detailed as mine but still reported as original ring. It shows clearly that it is an enameled ring as well.

So these ring examples have come in enamel I believe Gaspare has stated the same.


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All three of these rings really do look very different from each other, methods, materials, designs, patina, everything.

In my nearly 10 years of collecting now I have only ever seen 4 of these same ring examples for sale and out of those 4 I have purchased 2 of them (one is Goldin and other Alpacca) Now if these are being reproduced in such numbers why we don't see them out there for sale anywhere like other reproduction skull rings?
I think that is legit question to be asked, this is probably one of the hardest ring examples to be found!
Last 7 years I pretty much sleep on Ebay searching for rings ( US, German, Austrian ect.) and in those 7 years I have only ever seen two of these rings show up on eBay , one was in Germany and sold real quick for something like 250 euros about a year ago and this one that I have purchased from Austria yesterday from a seller that has nothing to do with german militaria.

P.s. The third same ring example I have posted for review in 2015 on WAF and it was good seller also from Germany wanted 350 euro and I was thinking for too long and he sold to someone else, still hate it that I did not buy when I had opportunity. As like I said you just don't see them come up for sale (in any condition) IMO!

All good points, ado- I agree they don't come up for sale and are rare as hens teeth! I think it's interesting those 3 you posted right here- there must certainly have been variations- can't dispute the differences! Gaspare likes your ring, and I like it too ado- I'm sure many here do, I like to hear odals points though, he's probably one of the most knowledgeable on these outside of Gaspare, but I wouldn't worry if I were you... these are very cool pieces, and are missing from most collections, obviously including mine lol! Thank you for all the pics and info man! Can't wait to see your next treasure!!

cast forsure.