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#325865 01/19/2017 07:07 AM
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Just wanted to see if anyone was familiar with this particular pattern skull ring.

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The ring is silver, double punched with what I believe are Austrian hallmarks, the pics the dealer sent are not clear enough to be positive. I personally think this dates to the WW1 period, but want to know what others may think.

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Yes it's a known variation usually with RF 835 marking , I've seen them sold as WW2 , can't make judgment on if original sorry ..

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Post more pics when you can, and yes a common pattern

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hi dak-41
thanks for showing us this intresting skull ring patern we would like more pictures to make a good judgement call on this skull ring . i just sold eight skull rings from my life long ring collection i am slowly running out of skull rings still have some beautys left and one was this patern skull ring my skull ring was marked 800 silver content i doubt if your skull ring is ww1 in my opinion it appears to be ww2 period made but i would have to see inside markings to be sure please tell us what this austrian mark looks like we cant see what you see with out more pictures thanks have a nice day andy militarynut

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A well known and rather common pattern that exist in variants and at least 2 different sizes.
I am not sure how old the pattern is but it was still for selling in WWII times.
As Byz told, you need good pics.


�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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I have a couple more pics from the seller but most are too big to post. This one shows the double hallmarks on the band. Not sure if that will help any, I'll try to get other pics to post.

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Never seen these rings stamped on the outside and rear before. Certainly never that deeply even if it happened. I've seen hallmarks on outside of Dutch rings and some others, African etc. but I'm not picking this out of my mind. If it says anything we can't make it out. If that's the hallmark pix he gave u- that's not a good sign, the point is to be able to read them. With an impression that deep, they should still be legible. Also this ring had a really thin band in the back. This is way too thick, too uniform, silver too shiny- way too many red flags for me. I tend to think this might be a postwar copy.

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hi dak-41
have to agree with mike here the outside markings are not clear enough sorry and are a red flag lets not waist our time as said to many red flags next case please have a great day andy militarynut

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Mmmmh.
Had a look to my sure good ones (large variant mint with tag and the small one mint without tag).
Both have hallmarking, content mark "835", inside the band or backsite the inside plain skull.
Sorry, not able to make pics in moment.

But i know, good other variants are out there. Maybe with an import mark outside too.
So you need good pics, if not possible, forget this ring and seller.


�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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hi odel
i have to agree with you thank you for your expertise opinions love to hear from you god bless und please dont forge to feed the pack andy militarynut

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Hmm so my version of this ring has the same mark as the second mark on this ring, but it's very faint and barely visible. The one shown here is heavily stamped.

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It almost looks like a lion silver content mark from England but Im sure that's not it.

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Post your hallmark picture- if you're asking from just one picture "does this look ok" well yes it does... but you really need to post (again- members... listen closely)- top down, hallmarks if any, front, rear, shanks, and any "odd spots" that stand out to you. Just because our members are giving opinions based on the pics provided by folks in no way makes your rings authentic! Guys on eBay have known how to take the right pics to deceive intentionally for years... hand inspection is a rule- that's why estands like waf have a return policy! Be careful and ask the right questions and you'll all get (if you're humble and patient) the most informed answers in the hobby from this forum's membership. And remember, please be gracious about these questions many of these guys have heard a thousand times over decades of time... they are willing to help, but aren't here issuing COAs or collecting fees. As I've mentioned before.... a little humility goes a very long way in this hobby! These guys have likely gained their knowledge from decades of study and being burned more than once! I'm always grateful
when someone like odal saves me hours of researching and reading on my own, as well as hundred of dollars in a purchase of a fake....

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I now have this ring in hand it is identical to my tagged piece. The 835 mark on the inside isthe same style and size. Those two stamps shown here are actually on the outside of the ring. One us the same as a very faint stamp on my tagged ring that is impossible to get a good photo of. The other might be a import mark. I've seen similar import marks on silver imported to the U.K.

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Just to bring closure to this thread, I now have the ring in hand (thanks Cecil), and a quick peek with my loupe solved the mystery. The two stamps on the outer ring shank are German export/Swedish Import stamps. The oval with 3 crowns indicates Sweden, and the S in a hexagon indicates a silver purity of at least .800 fineness. Since Sweden and Germany kept up a lively trade of goods throughout the war, this was exported by the maker to the Swedish market. Thanks for putting me on the right path with your suggestion, Odal!

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My pleasure.
So congrats to a fine looking ring!


�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
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good work DAK41!,,, Wish you could make a nice clear photo of the hallmarks for reference..
anyway:

All you guys,, Every member,,, I know we have the internet, smart phone etc. BUT,,nothing beats a 'Tardy'. It is a book for international Silver Hallmarks! Think either a French or England produced book. They are printed in most languages and come in a nice small handy size to take to a show or your next buy.. So do a 'search' on your tech devices, find one and buy it!! , you won't be sorry!

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Thanks G! Here is another hopefully better pic, and a sketch of the marks. Another resource are the websites 925-1000.com and Silvercollection.it. Both feature lots of resources for hallmark identification, and I use both frequently.

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There is also the mark on the inside. I could tell it was original when I had it in hand compared to my tagged version. You got a great deal on that. I'm glad I could help as Mike helped me find my first original skull. Pass on the help if you can!


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