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#275792 - 12/18/12 08:17 AM Re: Imperial Eagles ... [Re: Dean Perdue]
WWII Offline


Registered: 08/08/00
Posts: 3978
Loc: Media, PA
Dean,

Thanks for adding these two good examples, each one has a super eagle motif. The double-headed eagle plate is a beauty, just wonderful detail to the entire body. The artist didn't miss anything. The strong, circular border-designs really lock that central image in, they give the whole thing that feeling of a powerful warrior's shield. They just don't come much better than this ... wink

Eagle! Tirolean Eagle! ... is all I can make out of the lead-in to the saying on this fine wooden plate. Also lots of excellent detailing throughout the carving, love the way the banderole folds back on itself, great work there. The floral sprigs and Edelweiss blooms are classic too, all professionally carried out. The eagle must have initially been a nice bright, Tirolean red, a good while back. Sadly, someone must have hung this decorative piece in direct sunlight and over a long period of time. Normally the red pigments will tend to be the first to get bleached out by the sun's UV-rays. No matter, it's still a classic example of the distinctive red-raptor from the alps.

Man you've got a great eagle collection going there my friend, thanks for hooking us up with these extra nice patterns.

Best!

Bill

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#276213 - 12/26/12 05:54 AM Re: Imperial Eagles ... [Re: WWII]
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Registered: 01/27/06
Posts: 478
Loc: Austria
The first eagle is not an norembergia eagle. It is an austrian eagle. The eagle, that was used between WWI and WWII.

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#276231 - 12/27/12 11:12 AM Re: Imperial Eagles ... [Re: Wolf100]
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Dean, Wolf,

Could you gents please explain what's meant by the term "norimbergia" eagle? I'm really not sure myself? Was that one of the early double-headed German eagles, something to do with Albrecht Dürer, and is that the correct spelling of the term? I know some of the early Austrian national symbols depicted an eagle having a single head, like the second photo I'll attach. The first photo is what I mean by the Dürer-related piece and the third is another nice Austrian example. The eagle that I posted previously is the royal Kaiser's crown.

I find so many of these eagle designs appealing and it's also very interesting to know something about them. Hopefully we can add more examples and learn a bit more about them as we go...

Best!

Bill


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#276232 - 12/27/12 11:12 AM Re: Imperial Eagles ... [Re: WWII]
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2/3


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#276233 - 12/27/12 11:13 AM Re: Imperial Eagles ... [Re: WWII]
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#325229 - 12/27/16 01:22 PM Re: Imperial Eagles ... [Re: WWII]
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Registered: 05/20/08
Posts: 1360
Loc: Michigan U S A
A plate carving to add in hopes of getting some information.

Plate measures over 14" in diameter and I'd guess 2" deep.

I thought the outer edge motif appeared to be 23 swaztikas but others saw backwards seig runes.
I've seen this pattern before on a book. Any thoughts if this would be 3rd reich oriented?

Also any idea the type of wood and if the crest can be researched to find out who it belonged to?
Any good reference material that would help me get started?

Thanks for any input.

1)Plate


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#325230 - 12/27/16 01:23 PM Re: Imperial Eagles ... [Re: Dean Perdue]
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Registered: 05/20/08
Posts: 1360
Loc: Michigan U S A
2)Crest


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#325231 - 12/27/16 01:24 PM Re: Imperial Eagles ... [Re: Dean Perdue]
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Loc: Michigan U S A
Reverse & side


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#325444 - 01/03/17 11:32 AM Re: Imperial Eagles ... [Re: Dean Perdue]
Tristan Offline


Registered: 01/08/06
Posts: 629
Loc: Scotland
What beautiful workmanship!
I hope this is not to far off-topic to be relevant but this is the Prussian Eagle that features on a Postal sword, probably end of 19th century. The detail is much better than I can capture with my camera.


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#325446 - 01/03/17 02:22 PM Re: Imperial Eagles ... [Re: Tristan]
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Absolutely beautiful wood carved bowl. The closest I can find for the carving is the Webster family crest. This would be out of the UK which is consistent with the lions.
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#330266 - 07/05/17 02:45 PM Re: Imperial Eagles ... [Re: Jim W]
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Registered: 05/20/08
Posts: 1360
Loc: Michigan U S A
Looking for advice on trying to save this patriotic art that has some obvious problems. Also, was this a hand done item?

I believe it was framed at one time and would like to eventually find a nice period wood frame and put it under glass.

Maybe it's wishful thinking but is there any type of conservative matting that is self sticking that this piece can be mounted to in hopes of preventing any further tearing.

Thanks for input on the object or it's conservation.


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#330267 - 07/05/17 02:50 PM Re: Imperial Eagles ... [Re: Dean Perdue]
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Registered: 05/20/08
Posts: 1360
Loc: Michigan U S A
close ups.


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#332593 - 10/21/17 12:35 PM Re: Imperial Eagles ... [Re: Dean Perdue]
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Registered: 05/20/08
Posts: 1360
Loc: Michigan U S A
I'm trying to find out information on this piece.
Any idea's on how to determine if it's German?

The look is way better than the photos portray.

Eagle and base are heavy and appear to be solid.
Weight: 12.5 lbs.
Height 13.75 inches tall.

Thanks.

1)


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#332594 - 10/21/17 12:37 PM Re: Imperial Eagles ... [Re: Dean Perdue]
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Loc: Michigan U S A
2) Reverse


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#332595 - 10/21/17 12:40 PM Re: Imperial Eagles ... [Re: Dean Perdue]
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Loc: Michigan U S A
3) With flash on and showing granite type.


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#332693 - 10/27/17 02:35 PM Re: Imperial Eagles ... [Re: Dean Perdue]
Militarynut Offline


Registered: 04/25/02
Posts: 788
Loc: PA/FLA
hi dean
dont know if i can be of much help here on your great looking eagle especially with no marks in my opinion i would say its an imperial austrian eagle those spread feathers on the bottom of the wings tells me this but i can be wrong i had purchased a simular eagle just before the max show but had to leave the eagle home as i had no room unless i wanted to damage it my eagle is sheeted bronze very light weight but from what i remember closed wings i will try n post it in may when i return north but this is my my opinion is its probly imperial german or austrian what else can it be doesnt look american hope some one else gives thier opinion god bless andy militarynut

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#332715 - 10/28/17 12:41 PM Re: Imperial Eagles ... [Re: Militarynut]
Dean Perdue Offline


Registered: 05/20/08
Posts: 1360
Loc: Michigan U S A
Appreciate the input and help Andy.

I'd like to see the eagle you picked up and know if it has any markings or clues to it's origin.

I've been trying to determine if the granite used for the base is native to germany or from that region, but so far no luck.

I don't know if it means anything but I did find a similar looking 3rd reich eagle on a card but it is clutching a swaz and facing the opposite way.

Thanks, Dean


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#332736 - 10/29/17 08:54 AM Re: Imperial Eagles ... [Re: Dean Perdue]
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Registered: 04/25/02
Posts: 788
Loc: PA/FLA
hi dean
your wellcome to bad i dont have this eagle here in my winter home florida sorry its back in pennsylvania in may i will shoot you a picture like i said my eagle is very lite weight it is made of sheeted bronze or brass colored bronze great contruction i cant find diddly squat markings at all the eagle like yours sits on a bronze ball the eagles head reminds me of lsah eagle but it isnt magnificent looking head just like yours very detailed i still feel yours and mine is either german or austrian imperial eagles ps is your eagle missing wing tips on either side or is it the pictures let me know thanks god bless have a great day andy militarynut

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#332769 - 10/30/17 11:15 AM Re: Imperial Eagles ... [Re: Militarynut]
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Registered: 05/20/08
Posts: 1360
Loc: Michigan U S A

Andy

I don't think the wing tips are missing but I may not be understanding what you see.

Digging for more info these examples found on thirdreicheagles.blogspot

I thought the eagles alone had some similarities and the author calls the 1st example as Nurnberg Desk Eagle Swept Wing Variant 2 and list this info -

This beautiful desk eagle shows a spread out swept wing style that was described in an early post. It is beautifully crafted and weighs very heavy. The key difference to the previous one is that this desk piece has its eagle soldered on a metal base and with a matt black semi lustre finish. Exceptionally craftsmanship. The base shows an engraved dedication made in 1938. There are no maker marks on this piece, although some examples of this particular variant came from the HB foundry.

Example 2 is referred to as Nurnberg Desk Eagle Swept Wing Variant has a different finish and appears to be on the same granite base (but smaller) as opening post adler.

It's description

Not officially a Nurnberg style eagle, this is the third most commonly encountered variant of desk eagles recognized by collectors by its spread out swept wings and beautifully crafted head that looks in a different direction than it's feathered friends. There was a discussion once that said such eagles facing right indicated its affiliation with the NSDAP party, whereas those such as this below was for unofficial purposes. This piece still has its original silver wash intact with the edges now smoothed out. Mounted onto a black hard stone base, this variant has no foundry marks.

Maybe this eagle design was a carry over from imperial times to the 3rd Reich era with the addition of the wreathed swastika but that is just a guess.



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#332779 - 10/30/17 02:41 PM Re: Imperial Eagles ... [Re: Dean Perdue]
Militarynut Offline


Registered: 04/25/02
Posts: 788
Loc: PA/FLA
hi dean
thank you for your reply i looked over pic of your eagle wing tips now they look like they are all there sorry must be seeing things and yes these type eagles might be a few years difference of being imperial and used in the third reich when adding the swaz to them to bad they are not marked and these eagles cant talk guess we are back to square one the pictures of these outher eagles if you count the wing tips one side has four the outher has five or am i mistaken if so im sorry im seeing something different no biggie sorry i cant help any further wish i could these eagles are intresting god bless andy militarynut

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#333006 - 11/08/17 02:04 PM Re: Imperial Eagles ... [Re: Militarynut]
Dean Perdue Offline


Registered: 05/20/08
Posts: 1360
Loc: Michigan U S A
Andy...it does appear as the wing tips are equal on each side in my judgement.
Thanks for helping out.

Here is a new eagle to add, and a home for some WWI postcards.
It has dovetail construction and fits together really well.
Although the art isn't overly spectacular I think the flame background and theme is pretty cool.
By the lid's looks, attempts were made to try to get past the lock in it's history.



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#333015 - 11/09/17 05:48 AM Re: Imperial Eagles ... [Re: Dean Perdue]
Militarynut Offline


Registered: 04/25/02
Posts: 788
Loc: PA/FLA
hi dean
thanks for checking some times its the pictures most of the time its me an ole coot looking for tomorrow what can i say i wont forget to post a picture or two of my possibly imperial bronze sheeted eagle sitting on a bronze ball simular like yours no markings unless they are on the bottom of the ball who knows but great eagle this wood carved eagle looks great that is a lot of work involved have a great day thanks god bless andy militarynut

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