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Originally Posted By: Evgeniy
You can show us log of your communication
And everything will be clear: who is right and who is not ...


Of course he don't show it because there is everything OK. But I can show that sniper33 ring was damaged and scratched by Odal. Odal, how dare you to make such manipulations with his ring?


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Here is threatenings

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odal , IMHO ur position not correct to sniper
if he was not honest, you would not get anything
and your letter in the Russian police would not give anything )))
trust me

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I see nothing where odal says that he damaged the ring, he says that there are two little scratches in the ring, no where does he say he put them there. or am I reading it wrong

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Sorry Evgeniy.

I got trash for a a good rare and expensive ring and had to take any chance to get it back.
I am not the guy for burning in a deal.


�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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As I see, all problem was resolve and after it, you made stir
You can understand you , if he dont returne ur ring, but all ended well
What are you dissatisfied ))) ???

P.S. onemore time repite : if he want to cheat, you back it would not have received, plz understand
nobody in russian police dont pickup his ******** for ring (i think you understand it) and sniper33 donе about was not afraid of your threats, simply acted like an honest man, if you decide to rastornut deal, hi did it

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Originally Posted By: Evgeniy

What are you dissatisfied ))) ???



The second dangerous and very expensive fake and how it is tried to make to good ring.
See the other thread.

I think from my side all i said in this case.

Please build your own opinion.
And again:

"BE CAREFUL IN BUYING/TRADING"


�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
aus ihren Augen blitzen."
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Well I would mention popcorn but that would only get censored here in this forum. ;-)
Now on a more serious note I fully support Odal in exposing fake rings and people who are trying to sell them.
Whether the seller knew or not is a different question.
But surely Odal has not only a right to let others know about these fakes, but some might say he even has a duty to warn us from them.
So I say thank you for a very interesting, educational (and entertaining...Ooops! :-) thread.
Mark

PS how about Hapur, surely his word is pretty final on what is real and what is not.

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Yes, Hapur's thoughts could be interesting

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SO let me see if I got this right.. Odal trades a good known ring for the gegen ring...
Upon getting it he does not like it and wants out of the deal..
At first Sniper doesn't want to give the ring back.
Odal shouldn't have to explain anything,,he doesn't like the ring then that's that.
Now,,all is well kind of, the gegen goes back to Sniper,,and Odal eventually gets his ring back.

Well,,all the reason why I don't like doing any type of deals, let alone ones where your piece is too far to 'reach out and grab' .. Yes sometimes you do want to do the deal bad enough,,but dam its hard when things don't go right for both parties. [IF I'm incorrect here please correct me guys.]

The gegen ring is in question.. It is a pattern I personally have a problem with. For me It's not only a cast piece,,but I'll go on to say it is a fantasy ring.. ALL the gegen rings , even patterns that are limited or a trial order basis , [those marked ges gesh] we have found some kind of line drawing/advertisement... Sure some, most rings don't have adverts so it's just my personal opinion..

So again we have the question to Sniper.. He's sure the ring is good etc. Please tell us why. Odal put on a case why he doesn't like it. Sniper, what can you [Sniper] tell us about the ring..

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Not sure Hap wants to get in this mess grin..

Hapur makes ring like his HR with a die and a press.. He also has a site where he sells cast rings , copies and fantasies..

Always great to have another opinion on this gegen ring. It'd be good to also see if he'll comment on the Luft ring also. So sure, please I invite you Hap when you have the time to comment on them,,thanks..

Otherwise,, everyone take heed of the title of this topic!. Also you must be careful on any ring you try and get that's not in your country. Crazy things happen all the time and mostly its the postal systems.. I've had 2 that never made it to me,,one from Germany and another from England. It's always a chance.. Hate to say it,,but especially if it involves a trade [where all can lose and/or the one party could lose their trade piece and never get the traded for piece!,,,be careful,,really think about it!

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Hello Guys, looks like accidentally I was called by Sergey who put here my Luftwaffe SIEG ring. So maybe I will explain something. This ring belongs to me, I do not intend to sell it and what always Gaspare says I'm happy with it. This would cut the problem of my ring.

Odal was not happy with Sniper ring and want to give it back. Fortunately he did so and received his ring. Everybody satisfied and that what is going about.

I could not explain myself clearer.

All the best
Piotr

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Originally Posted By: Gaspare
Not sure Hap wants to get in this mess grin..

please I invite you Hap when you have the time to comment on them,,thanks..



I believe that even for every begining collector is clear that ring on picture is poorly cast. End of story.

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There are less original rings than you think, much less...

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Originally Posted By: hapur


I believe that even for every begining collector is clear that ring on picture is poorly cast. End of story.


What if this is thick layer of silver finish? I saw such rings, for instance Gottlieb SIEG ring has the same things.

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Did anyone still read such nonsense?

It seems better to close this thread and lets go back to our collecting stuff.

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�Eine gewaltt�tige, herrische, unerschrockene, grausame Jugend will ich. Jugend muss das alles sein. Schmerzen muss sie ertragen. Es darf nichts Schwaches und Z�rtliches an ihr sein. Das freie, herrliche Raubtier muss wieder
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Originally Posted By: odal
Did anyone still read such nonsense?

It seems better to close this thread and lets go back to our collecting stuff.


Nonsense? How you can explain this flaws?

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