|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 429
|
OP
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 429 |
Are original Eickhorn Rohm daggers all marked with the same TM? I see various daggers shown here purportedly as originals, with various Eickhorn TMs. Would like to know which TM to look for and which ones to avoid. Thanks1 Joe S
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 682
|
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 682 |
Get in touch with JohnZ here on the forum. John is a passionate Eickhorn collector.
Gruess,
Pf
Die Treue ist das Mark der Ehre!
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,814 Likes: 18
|
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,814 Likes: 18 |
I have two Rohm daggers by Eickhorn:
- an erased Rohm NSKK with a large smooth tail over CE squirrel - a full Rohm SA with a small serrated tail no CE squirrel.
I also have two SAs that look like erased Rohms:
- large serrated tail over c.e. squirrel - large serrated tail over CE squirrel (no periods after the letters).
Other variations are probably out there.
John
TM.JPG (39.18 KB, 327 downloads) TM.JPG (56.07 KB, 328 downloads) TM.JPG (40.68 KB, 329 downloads)
Always looking for Eickhorns and etched bayonets.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 15,084 Likes: 96
|
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 15,084 Likes: 96 |
John is correct. Those are four of the five possibilities.
SA/SS daggers with one of the two large oval trademarks CAN be Rohm daggers or daggers that never had any dedication.
The two small oval trademarks are ALL Rohms or SS Himmler daggers. These are more numerous than daggers with the large oval trademark.
The fifth possibility is a small single oval trademark with "C.E." under the squirrel. The squirrel has a serrated tail. This mark is found on the prototype pointy-wing daggers, which were all Rohm daggers.
If anyone is aware of any other Eickhorn Rohm dagger trademarks, we'd really like to know about it
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,814 Likes: 18
|
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,814 Likes: 18 |
Dave, I know about the so called Christmas dagger with the single oval.. still need to add that one to my small collection. It does make sense that that one would be a Rohm.
John
Always looking for Eickhorns and etched bayonets.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 15,084 Likes: 96
|
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 15,084 Likes: 96 |
John,
This is the best I can do now:
I is from a French reference book
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 5,661 Likes: 50
|
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 5,661 Likes: 50 |
Most right one on the picture hereunder.
Best regards,
Herman
A1.JPG (119.43 KB, 294 downloads)
You never have enough HJ-knifes!
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 5,661 Likes: 50
|
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 5,661 Likes: 50 |
Actually Dave, when you add the "small smooth tail" mark (see pic), it brings the total to 6 different Eickhorn Rohm marks.
Best regards,
Herman
2.JPG (112.37 KB, 295 downloads)
You never have enough HJ-knifes!
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 15,084 Likes: 96
|
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 15,084 Likes: 96 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,814 Likes: 18
|
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,814 Likes: 18 |
I count 6:
1) single oval over C .E. 2) large smooth tail over C.E. 3) small smooth tail no CE 4) small serrated tail no CE 5) large serrated tail over C.E. 6) large serrated tail over CE (no periods)
John
Always looking for Eickhorns and etched bayonets.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 15,084 Likes: 96
|
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 15,084 Likes: 96 |
John,
I would classify #6 as #5 with a faulty template where the acid did not get through the holes. Same as the small squirrel with no eye.
Dave
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,814 Likes: 18
|
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,814 Likes: 18 |
Here are the two...
I will try to take different pictures, but the two marks do look different to me.
John
TM.JPG (40.68 KB, 289 downloads)
Always looking for Eickhorns and etched bayonets.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 15,084 Likes: 96
|
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 15,084 Likes: 96 |
John,
Interesting. The squirrel does not seem to have an eye. Is this a template fail with the acid not getting through three small holes or is a variation ?
The 'a' and 'r' are less pronounced than the 'c' and the 'l' and the 'e' under the squirrel is unlike any I have seen.
I would like to see other examples. Does anyone have one to post?
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,814 Likes: 18
|
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,814 Likes: 18 |
I will be taking more and different pictures today or tomorrow.
John
Always looking for Eickhorns and etched bayonets.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 682
|
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 682 |
There's a little bit of difference there. One squirrel is missing an eye and then there is the difference in the letters. Would be interesting to see the two maker marks in the same picture size
Die Treue ist das Mark der Ehre!
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 5,661 Likes: 50
|
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 5,661 Likes: 50 |
Here is another one with the dots. Just trying to help solve the mystery... Best regards, Herman
1.JPG (60.32 KB, 261 downloads)
You never have enough HJ-knifes!
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,814 Likes: 18
|
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,814 Likes: 18 |
Here are some more shots of the two maker marks... the letter sizing, the star, the arms and the shape of the squirrel's nose are all a little different to me.
CE.JPG (39.57 KB, 252 downloads)
Always looking for Eickhorns and etched bayonets.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 15,084 Likes: 96
|
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 15,084 Likes: 96 |
John,
The top image in the above post shows the eye and the period after the "C" but not the one after the "E". ...... Or maybe the second period is there but merged into the lower arm of the "E".
Sorry but still see this as wax template fail rather than a separate trademark. Those templates were thin and hand applied. It would not take much pressure to close those small holes.
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 5,661 Likes: 50
|
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 5,661 Likes: 50 |
After seeing all these close up pictures(thx John!), I must admit that I have to join Dave's camp. It looks to me that these slight differences are indeed just template failures.
So 5 different Eickhorn Rohm marks it is in my opinion.
Best regards,
Herman
Last edited by Herman V. (aka Herr Mann); 12/06/2015 12:08 PM.
You never have enough HJ-knifes!
|
|
|
Forums42
Topics31,652
Posts328,704
Members7,501
|
Most Online5,900 Dec 19th, 2019
|
|
16 members (Tanker, JonathanC, Baz69, Landser, Billy G., Documentalist, AndyRose, Duzig, atis, Jonesy, Nietzsche, Dave, OWN, Mikee, Stephen, benten),
560
guests, and
93
robots. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
|
|