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#313420 11/30/2015 03:23 AM
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Are original Eickhorn Rohm daggers all marked with the same TM? I see various daggers shown here purportedly as originals, with various Eickhorn TMs. Would like to know which TM to look for and which ones to avoid.
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Get in touch with JohnZ here on the forum. John is a passionate Eickhorn collector.

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I have two Rohm daggers by Eickhorn:

- an erased Rohm NSKK with a large smooth tail over CE squirrel
- a full Rohm SA with a small serrated tail no CE squirrel.

I also have two SAs that look like erased Rohms:

- large serrated tail over c.e. squirrel
- large serrated tail over CE squirrel (no periods after the letters).

Other variations are probably out there.

John

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John is correct. Those are four of the five possibilities.

SA/SS daggers with one of the two large oval trademarks CAN be Rohm daggers or daggers that never had any dedication.

The two small oval trademarks are ALL Rohms or SS Himmler daggers. These are more numerous than daggers with the large oval trademark.

The fifth possibility is a small single oval trademark with "C.E." under the squirrel. The squirrel has a serrated tail. This mark is found on the prototype pointy-wing daggers, which were all Rohm daggers.


If anyone is aware of any other Eickhorn Rohm dagger trademarks, we'd really like to know about it

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Dave, I know about the so called Christmas dagger with the single oval.. still need to add that one to my small collection. It does make sense that that one would be a Rohm.

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John,

This is the best I can do now:

I is from a French reference book

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Most right one on the picture hereunder.

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Actually Dave, when you add the "small smooth tail" mark (see pic), it brings the total to 6 different Eickhorn Rohm marks.

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I only count 5

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I count 6:

1) single oval over C .E.
2) large smooth tail over C.E.
3) small smooth tail no CE
4) small serrated tail no CE
5) large serrated tail over C.E.
6) large serrated tail over CE (no periods)

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John,

I would classify #6 as #5 with a faulty template where the acid did not get through the holes. Same as the small squirrel with no eye.

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Here are the two...

I will try to take different pictures, but the two marks do look different to me.

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John,

Interesting. The squirrel does not seem to have an eye. Is this a template fail with the acid not getting through three small holes or is a variation ?

The 'a' and 'r' are less pronounced than the 'c' and the 'l' and the 'e' under the squirrel is unlike any I have seen.

I would like to see other examples. Does anyone have one to post?

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I will be taking more and different pictures today or tomorrow.

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There's a little bit of difference there. One squirrel is missing an eye and then there is the difference in the letters.
Would be interesting to see the two maker marks in the same picture size


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Here is another one with the dots.
Just trying to help solve the mystery... wink

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Here are some more shots of the two maker marks... the letter sizing, the star, the arms and the shape of the squirrel's nose are all a little different to me.

C.E..JPG (39.98 KB, 254 downloads)
CE.JPG (39.57 KB, 252 downloads)
MVC-854S.JPG (39.8 KB, 253 downloads)
MVC-855S.JPG (39.99 KB, 253 downloads)
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MVC-859S.JPG (39.13 KB, 251 downloads)
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John,

The top image in the above post shows the eye and the period after the "C" but not the one after the "E". ...... Or maybe the second period is there but merged into the lower arm of the "E".

Sorry but still see this as wax template fail rather than a separate trademark. Those templates were thin and hand applied. It would not take much pressure to close those small holes.

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After seeing all these close up pictures(thx John!), I must admit that I have to join Dave's camp. It looks to me that these slight differences are indeed just template failures.

So 5 different Eickhorn Rohm marks it is in my opinion.

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Herman

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